Net Neutrality

[chrisaroz]

No additional info yet, but saw this headline on MSNBC:

BREAKING NEWS: Federal court rules for Comcast, against FCC in 'Internet neutrality' case

 

[chrisaroz]

Man I hate ADD. I was typing a nice reply and then a bird flew and landed on my car.

At any rate, I hope ISP's don't start going crazy and throttling bandwidth.

 

[sjlplat]

This is something taught in sociology -- Those who control the media control the world. Governments have no power over those who have control of the media. Like everything in life, eventually the big corporate media conglomerates will have complete control over the Internet.

 

[chrisaroz]

Now I'm REALLY sad.

 

[sjlplat]

Yea, I was pretty bummed out after writing a term paper about it too.

 

[kagman]

Great there goes the internet.. Well at least here in the USA....

 

[ATTech]

I would totally boycott Comcast if the only other provider in the area didn't provide piss poor TV service in comparison to Comcast.

 

[sjlplat]

Great there goes the internet.. Well at least here in the USA....

It's really sad. The US is FAR behind other nations in terms of broadband availability and bandwidth. This country is eventually going to legislate itself into poverty, and we'll be getting aid from countries that once got it from us.

 

[thecoldone06]

I'll play devils advocate here. Comcast seems to block bit torrent programs over their network which they have every right to do. I don't agree with that but that's their decision.

That being said. This isn't an issue of bandwidth here. They are just implementing quality of service which has a definite need on the internet. If someone is downloading huge files on the internet and I'm trying to make a phone call on my VoIP phone over their network, if my voice packets don't get priority over that huge file download, I'm not going to be happy. There is a definite place to QOS and I think it's ridiculous for the FCC to even consider getting rid of it.

 

[sjlplat]

I'll play devils advocate here. Comcast seems to block bit torrent programs over their network which they have every right to do. I don't agree with that but that's their decision.

That being said. This isn't an issue of bandwidth here. They are just implementing quality of service which has a definite need on the internet. If someone is downloading huge files on the internet and I'm trying to make a phone call on my VoIP phone over their network, if my voice packets don't get priority over that huge file download, I'm not going to be happy. There is a definite place to QOS and I think it's ridiculous for the FCC to even consider getting rid of it.

The legal proceedings were caused by the decision to regulate throttling of bandwidth, but they are more far-reaching. With this court decision, ISPs can now provide priority service to customers who pay more money. That means that if Wal-Mart needs network bandwidth, yours can be taken to supplement their shortcomings.

 

[thecoldone06]

That I wouldn't agree with. However, is that what the MSNBC article said? That's not what I got out of it.

 

[sjlplat]

That I wouldn't agree with. However, is that what the MSNBC article said? That's not what I got out of it.

The article doesn't go into a lot of detail, but the whole purpose of FCC regulation is to prevent the Internet from being driven by money. Now that the US court system has made it clear that the FCC does not have that authority, the gates are open.

 

[onetech4all]

Re:

That is BS!
Guys, Japan, South Korea and Romania, according to a CNN world bandwidth map are the top 3 countries with the fastest residential internet connection in the world. My family in Europe pays 5 Euro for a 15 Mbps; I pay $40 for 6 Mbps and now they want to approve some B.S. law that will throttle the bandwidth.
I think the government should be ashamed. They will throw BS at the public that if there's some cyber attack on the infrastructure, the president should have authority to shut down the internet for that part of the country.
All this is just junk to keep us focused on other stuff, while the government is screwing everyone over in this country.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2010/03/tech/map.broadband.speeds/index.html

 

[sjlplat]

My family in Europe pays 5 Euro for a 15 Mbps; I pay $40 for 6 Mbps

Try $70/mo for 512kbps.

 

[hondablaster]

I'll play devils advocate here. Comcast seems to block bit torrent programs over their network which they have every right to do. I don't agree with that but that's their decision.

That being said. This isn't an issue of bandwidth here. They are just implementing quality of service which has a definite need on the internet. If someone is downloading huge files on the internet and I'm trying to make a phone call on my VoIP phone over their network, if my voice packets don't get priority over that huge file download, I'm not going to be happy. There is a definite place to QOS and I think it's ridiculous for the FCC to even consider getting rid of it.

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Likewise I used to keep up with all this net neutrality stuff. The future of all communication is going to be the internet. (obviously) ISPs have been trying gain full control of the Internet for some time. I have even watched older videos where BIG ISPs have crushed small (but better fiber optic providers) ISP's into dust to prevent competition. Also they have crushed experiments in small towns were small towns had free or cheap fiber optic and they sued saying government is competing with business and it is illegal. (I believe it was a small town in Texas correct me if I'm wrong. )

Right now these giants claim they need to throttle, monitor, redirect etc. for this and that reason. But in the end its just control and corporate imperialism. VOIP? and QOS LOL! Do you know how fast an OC12 or OC48 network is. Don't be fooled. Bandwidth has infinite potential the only reason we are behind is way back in the day when fiber optic was available Telcos and cable coms wanted to stick with copper it was cheaper then creating a new infrastruture that could potentially bring new competition. They bought off the fibre optic pushers. Now 20+ year later the internet is a huge backbone of society and alot of our Internet infrastructure are still copper. YAY! Thanks.

The giants will use just about any excuse to justify some form of control and price including lack of IP addresses, lack of Bandwidth, filtering dangerous IPs, Dangerous sites etc. Its all starts with an artificial need then the lawmakers and the people will bend over backwards. (Do WMD's come to mind)

Our government is poisoned from our elected officials to the Supreme Court. Likewise Americans are brainwashed. Don't swallow the belief that "torrents" or "bandwidth" is the reason for control. If I pay for a 15Mbps connection that's what I should get and if some website can shoot me data at that speed that's what I should get in return. No middle man should be setting there tweaking our connections. (Hypothetically Speaking) Now because they paid Comcast 1 million a year so they can be faster then all the competing smaller site. Imagine tomorrow if Comcast was paid to slow down Technibble to their customers by GeekSquad. I know that sounds far fetched for us in 2010 but its a future possibility 10 years from now. As the USA becomes the United Corporations of America.

Imagine if Google was throttled back so bad it was unbearably slow. You were forced to use Bing or Yahoo. Could they have become so big that they can actually compete? Google knows whats up.... http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/10/google-fiber-optic-network-home/

 

[ATTech]

Google knows whats up.... http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/10/google-fiber-optic-network-home/

Another perfect example of why google is the greatest company... ever.

 

[sjlplat]

Another perfect example of why google is the greatest company... ever.

Be careful what you wish for. Too much power is always bad.

 

[onetech4all]

Re;

And too much power comes with responsibility. If anything goes wrong and you are in charge, guess who people are going to look to for explanations!

I used to pay $70 for 512KB. I lived in a remote location, where you could only get dial-up or Direcway (it's not misspelled), so I know. After I moved, I got to see 3 Mbps and thought it was awesome.

I just hope they let us vote for this or something and not just shove it down out throats.

 

[Styxbound]

Government or big business?

+1 sjlplat on the whole idea of power. I think the idea of power without abuse belongs in Grimm's fairy tales.

 

[A+ Computer S&R]

savetheinternet.com

Thought you guys would like to look at this, if you haven't already seen it. Just click "Tell the FCC: Protect Net Neutrality Now »" to send a letter to the FCC. That way we can express our feeling about this.