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$500 or less..uhmmm no. As the saying goes "you get what you pay for". Sick of tightarse ppl, going against quality, rather for a cheap piece of crap that will be a turtle or probably cease in 13 months.
 
$500 or less..uhmmm no. As the saying goes "you get what you pay for". Sick of tightarse ppl, going against quality, rather for a cheap piece of crap that will be a turtle or probably cease in 13 months.
And complain about how you sold them a slow computer.
 
If I was in this situation I would say to my family exactly what I say to my clients: "I recommend this one - if you get something cheaper it probably won't be as fast or last as long but you'll have to make that choice for yourself." End of story. No point wasting any more energy.
 
If I was in this situation I would say to my family exactly what I say to my clients: "I recommend this one - if you get something cheaper it probably won't be as fast or last as long but you'll have to make that choice for yourself." End of story. No point wasting any more energy.
I steer well clear of using words like 'recommend'. Closest I'll go is something like 'I've heard good reports of xxxx...'
 
I love off lease systems usually only 2 years old and usually sat on a desk connected to an external monitor and keyboard.

When I worked for a bank every 2 years I got a brand new laptop whether I needed it or not. Someone came around and would hand you a new one and take away the old.

When people just continue to have unrealistic expectations I tell them they are on their own

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I still have my first t60 I got used back in 2011 figure it was a couple years old by that point.

Has Linux on it and is still running to this day

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This may not go anywhere as this family member (sister-in-law) simply will not listen to anything I tell her.

Sometimes, even for a family member, you have to walk away. As a professional in the computer field, you of all should know that any laptop around the 500 dollar mark is a piece of stinking brown crud. if they could move up several hundred dollars towards the 800 mark sometimes you can find an almost OK laptop. Really hard to find something you can bless for under a thousand bucks.

Myself, for most of my +25 years in the biz I've done the Lenovo factory outlet for my laptops (including back when it was IBM). Many of the ARE new, it's not just refurbs. The i7 Carbon X1 I'm typing from now was new, and about 50% the MSRP, I paid something like 890 or 930 for it, MSRP was 1790 I think.
 
^ this.

I have found the key to selling these systems to be stop using the words used or refurbished. I use the term off lease and explain its exactly like a car lease.

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I'd recommend upgrading that Thinkpad (if needed) with a SSD and possibly more RAM, and point out that all of the changes in laptop processors over the past few years have been focused on lower power not on faster speeds - a 6 year old system would have been either Sandy Bridge i5-2xxx (meh) or Ivy Bridge i5-3xxx, either of which should be just fine. The main failing will be for gaming if it was just using the built in Intel graphics. The other things that older system wouldn't have are a touch screen and possibly huge resolution, but she's not going to find those for $500 anyway.

If you do provide any further advice on used Thinkpads, stay away from the Tx40 generation if she uses the touchpad, they were *horrible*.
 
My T430 touchpad is great but I get that not all Thinkpads are created equal.

My T430 and T510 are great, but the one T440 I dealt with I wouldn't have even delivered to the customer except he's one of those guys who carries a wireless mouse around with him.

On the T440 they made the touchpad larger and eliminated the separate buttons - instead you just pushed down on the touchpad in the appropriate corner, and yes the corners would sink, and the mouse pointer would move because you're still touching the touchpad. In my limited time using it accurately clicking anywhere was basically impossible. Most of the changes were reverted on the Tx50 generation, and you can actually replace the T440 "buttonless" touchpad with one from the T450. That at least gets you the buttons at the top of the pad.
 
The more budget "Edge" series did that also...just 1x huge touchpad. While I much prefer the separated left/middle/right buttons like I have again on my Carbon X1 right here....I was able to adapt to the Edge touchpad.
 
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