NAS Recommendations for Professional Photographers

I honestly don't know if they would or should live in the same place. The way I see it there are two different ways to address the archives.

1. Continuously expand the NAS as space is consumed and just archive the old data in compressed folders on the NAS.

2. Periodically transfer data ready for archive from the NAS to another "archive" storage solution... whatever that may be. (Problem I see with this is, once you move the data from a RAID array to a single-drive you've lost all your redundancy and are then susceptible to hardware failures).

That is why shoving them up to the cloud on glacier is a good idea. It is designed for archive work. To place online things you need to keep but not access frequently or quickly. If they can live with that limitation then glacier seems ideal for them IMO.
 
Just to clarify, the NAS isn't for backup... it's for primary storage of active files (or possibly ALL files active and archived). From what I've heard all of the photographers are using cloud backup. I'm told they mostly use BackBlaze. I don't know much about BackBlaze or what they offer, but I hear it's geared toward photographers.

When I compile all my data and make the presentation, I intend for it to be a two-pronged approach. NAS for on-site storage, Cloud backup for off-site. I thought for a brief moment about including a 3rd level of redundancy with take-away portable drives... but since most of the photographers work from home, it's a moot point.

The NAS side of the equation is, IMO, the more important side and the starting point. Once that side of the equation is figured out, the backup side can be explored because any backup solution would need to fully support the NAS.
The reason for getting them switched over to NAS instead of what they're using now is because photographers frequently find themselves needing data recovery... and oftentimes they're stuck sending their failed external drives out to some data recovery service to the tune of several thousand dollars. Now, I don't know about you guys, but I don't have a clean-room in my shop where I dismantle and repair failed drives, so if I want to snatch up my portion of that market, it makes sense to me to switch them over to a system where they can avoid that entire debacle, and I can make a nice bit of money in the process as well as build up a reputation with the photog community.

That is all good but a NAS doesn't preclude any of that. If you want to avoid data recovery charges then have your data on more then one device or media so that if you loose a drive it isn't a big deal to replace and restore from backup. You seem to be talking both sides and slightly contradicting yourself here.
 
That is all good but a NAS doesn't preclude any of that. If you want to avoid data recovery charges then have your data on more then one device or media so that if you loose a drive it isn't a big deal to replace and restore from backup. You seem to be talking both sides and slightly contradicting yourself here.


Well my thinking was that in the NAS they would be stored on a RAID array... so losing a drive wouldn't be a big deal.
 
And if the building burns down? Or the cage shorts out and kills ALL the drives. Or they spill a cup of coffee on it?

[rant]RAID IS NOT A BACKUP!!!![/rant]

Sorry. :D
 
And if the building burns down? Or the cage shorts out and kills ALL the drives. Or they spill a cup of coffee on it?

[rant]RAID IS NOT A BACKUP!!!![/rant]

Sorry. :D


Not only do I know that... I resell cloud backup.



All this talk about NAS and no one is addressing what happens if the NAS unit dies? Lightning, Fire, or a spilled cup of coffee and it's game over.

Because that's a different topic than the OP started this thread with.

Just to clarify, the NAS isn't for backup... it's for primary storage of active files (or possibly ALL files active and archived). From what I've heard all of the photographers are using cloud backup. I'm told they mostly use BackBlaze. I don't know much about BackBlaze or what they offer, but I hear it's geared toward photographers.



I know all about the importance of not only have an off-site backup solution, and that conversation will be had next. Before that can be addressed though, I need to get a good idea of how their on-site data should be handled... that way I know what is getting backed-up and to where. For example...

Photographers archive their past-years work as they rarely have to access it, but need still need to hang on to it at least for a period of time. SO. Should the archives be stored on the same device (ie, a NAS) as the active files (ie, THIS year's data)? Or should the archives be transferred off the NAS to a separate device, and if so what kind of device?


I like the idea of Glacier for the archives... I'll be looking into that. My question about that is, if you're storing your archives on Glacier, should you also store them somewhere locally?



(so many different scenarios to consider here... I kind of feel like we're talking in circles.)
 
One more clarification...

Archive does NOT mean Backup.

When I say Archive, I'm talking about files that are no longer actively used but need to be maintained... in an archive. Kind of like old financial records.
 
My question about that is, if you're storing your archives on Glacier, should you also store them somewhere locally?

I would. Glacier isn't fast but it is a cheap backup system should you need access and not quickly. If you need rapid access some other backup system is needed.
 
I would. Glacier isn't fast but it is a cheap backup system should you need access and not quickly. If you need rapid access some other backup system is needed.

As I understand it, they wouldn't need to access old files quickly. Still, I like the idea of having a hard-copy of data.
 
Synology are great, I usually setup in Raid 10.

Online backup with Synology I have used Hi-Drive but looking for better ways.

Amazon Glacier sounded interesting but not sure.
 
I get frequent calls from area photographers asking about data recovery... one of them tonight, actually. One thing I'm noticing about these photographers is that they're all using external HDD's to store their work. A lot of them are using enclosures like the WD My Books with standard 3.5" drives, while others are using the little 2.5" portables.

The problem that I think a lot of them don't understand is that they're putting themselves and their business at significant risk by not having any redundancy. They're 1 drive failure away from spending thousands on data recovery, not to mention the potential for lost work. I would like to give them some recommendations for a proper NAS solution that would suit their needs, but I'm not entirely sure what to recommend. I like the Synology NAS', but I read in some of the reviews that they're extremely slow when backing up pictures because they want to create thumbnails for each image... that wouldn't work well for photographers at all, as they could easily be storing hundreds of very Hi-Res images over the course of a day.

Does anyone have any insight on this? Are there any Synology buffs that know about this issue and know of a fix, or maybe someone knows of a solution that would be better for photography? Keep in mind that any solution would have to be Mac-compatible, as the majority of them are Mac users.

Thanks for the input!

I'm partner in a photography studio. There are two types of photographers Artists who make the best photographers who will have difficulty understanding or using about anything more complicated than the camera SD cards or an external usb and then there are the more Techy types who are very good with software/tech tools and hardware who will easily take care of backups without calling a PC guy.

My partner is the Artist and I am the other type of photographer.

One shoot or wedding is $2500 value to us but priceless to our brides. Thus we take a laptop and usb drive with us to the shoot. We download the SD memory from the Camera's to the laptop and then also copy it to the external usb. WE keep the laptop locked in our van at all times so it doesn't walk off. We keep the SD cards once full in our camera bag within site. SD cards are very cheap so we keep enough to finish 1000-2000 photos in super hi def which is more than you need for a big two photographer wedding. We now have 3 copies SD, Laptop and USB and this is even before we get back to the shop. Soon as we get back to the shop the USB drive is uploaded to a space on my Computer Business server (raid 1 with backup) and backed up normally with other client and work materials from that point forward. From there the files are downloaded to a powerful workstation that we do our graphic editing which also has raid 1.

You need to ask the photographer the value they place on their work product and reputation. Some do the type of photography that can be redone and not place a value on backups. Some will spend any amount like us. The rest are somewhere in the middle. Every time a photographer gets a spare $500 they go back another lense for their camera or light package or some other thing that helps them make more money so backups are a distraction to them.

As a minimum I would try to get them to have a Workstation/server Raid 1 which backs up to a USB drive that does not leave their home/office/studio and then refer them to a photographer specific service to manage their online backups....they use lingo and processes which make sense to the photographer. Then use their mobile usb drive to go on site like we do.

We use smallish 2-4Gb SD cards in our cameras so that after they get 100-200 photos they can swap out for another one. We might fill 3-4 SD cards in a day (we want to avoid having all photos on a single SD card. (We once had a family member of the client steal our SD card and delete our photos for the value of a $25 SD card.)

Then if they have the laptop they can upload the cards to the laptop on site if that is appropriate for them and also back that up to the external drive. That should last them until they get back to the shop.

Many newer cameras have IR or wifi that can automatically send photos to the laptop within about 100-300'. Then they have two copies automatically (SD and Laptop). This is nice but requires management of the laptop. This is ok for more established photographers who use aides or helpers or backup photographers to keep track of the equipment.

After all the photography is done and we are back in the shop we might put another 20 hrs of sorting, cleaning, editing into the photos so we take those finished products and upload them to the internet(as well as our server) on a professional photographers site. These sites are not much more than normal data backup companies so i would not recommend anything other than a Photography specific website backup scheme. Many are free but we put them up there so that we can assign a user name and password to a private album for each client and they may view them, share them, order from them and pay for orders from those proofs and the money goes into our account without our having to deal with all the people from the wedding ordering # and size of prints. After about 5 years we write a letter to the clients telling them when we are going to stop keeping copies and asking if they want to buy the unlimited copy rights and a final copy of all finished product...Then we remove it from our site and servers.

For the average work from home, one man/women photographer, I have found a USB drive is useful for backing up the home workstation server (raid1) but then again I do test restores at least monthly. An inexpensive NAS might work if it can automate backups as well as sync working folders. Workflow is the real key and you cannot install something the photographer doesn't understand otherwise they will call you 3 years later upset, what for? I think you are limited to the level of sophistication in this area.

Long story short, photographers might not appreciate the sophistication of NAS or the cost.... I think the term KISS (keep it simple stupid) was invented for photographers.
 
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Most of the photographers I'd be targeting are above the one-man show... yet at the same time the majority of them still work from home because in this area at least, it doesn't make any sense for them to maintain any kind of office or gallery. Amanda could explain that part better than I could.

I appreciate the detailed post Tony, it's great to be able to have an inside-look on a situation. I think what I will probably end up doing is working closely with one of my clients... she's a photographer and a long-time friend of Amanda's. She'd expressed an interest in switching to a more robust system and I think she'd be able to help me refine my offerings before I approach the rest of the photog community.
 
Most of the photographers I'd be targeting are above the one-man show... yet at the same time the majority of them still work from home because in this area at least, it doesn't make any sense for them to maintain any kind of office or gallery. Amanda could explain that part better than I could.

I appreciate the detailed post Tony, it's great to be able to have an inside-look on a situation. I think what I will probably end up doing is working closely with one of my clients... she's a photographer and a long-time friend of Amanda's. She'd expressed an interest in switching to a more robust system and I think she'd be able to help me refine my offerings before I approach the rest of the photog community.

I don't know if you build custom PC's or not. However, A decent source of income for you and solution for them is a moderately priced $699 custom built windows workstation with built in mirror SATA drives and SD card reader. I try for a 40-50% margin. My assumption is that often their workstation doubles as a server so Raid 1 helps a great deal. you can also take their old workstation/pc and clean it off to make it a backup server or NAS box with mostly freeware.... Then give some trade on some of your configuration time.

If you can set it up to remote in and check their backups and configurations for them once a month or quarterly this is a service many might go for. They seldom have deep pockets but they have the need more than most as every product on their computer is work product.

Photographers LOVE trade outs so let them pay cash for the hardware and hopefully you have some beautiful kids, girlfriend/wife/family to get some photos of. If not at least get a professional picture of yourself, your van and shop for your web site. This will make them feel like they are getting a deal and it does help you a bit.

I have traded out services I didn't really need just to sweeten the deal for cottage industry clients like photographers, masseurs, dancers:).
 
Most of the photographers I'd be targeting are above the one-man show... yet at the same time the majority of them still work from home because in this area at least, it doesn't make any sense for them to maintain any kind of office or gallery. Amanda could explain that part better than I could.

I appreciate the detailed post Tony, it's great to be able to have an inside-look on a situation. I think what I will probably end up doing is working closely with one of my clients... she's a photographer and a long-time friend of Amanda's. She'd expressed an interest in switching to a more robust system and I think she'd be able to help me refine my offerings before I approach the rest of the photog community.

I used weddings because that seems to most critical if you lose your work you cannot reshoot the wedding. Most commercial shoots can be redone with some trouble but weddings not so much. Also some photographers take their own photos to sell as prints. I do commercial photography where take photos of buildings and things for catalogs or advertising and such. Even though I can retake the photos I have to wait for that perfect sunset or overcast day depending on the effects I am attempting to get. Also less critical but still no one wants to look the fool for losing data and having to re-do a shoot where others are envolved.
 
I don't know if you build custom PC's or not. However, A decent source of income for you and solution for them is a moderately priced $699 custom built windows workstation with built in mirror SATA drives and SD card reader. I try for a 40-50% margin. My assumption is that often their workstation doubles as a server so Raid 1 helps a great deal. you can also take their old workstation/pc and clean it off to make it a backup server or NAS box with mostly freeware.... Then give some trade on some of your configuration time.

That would be a great idea for any of them using Windows... I'm told they almost exclusively use Mac though.

...dancers:).

LOL :D
 
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