link to 2004 media creation or iso

[britechguy]

Insiders are volunteers, no one is forcing them.

I have not personally experienced, nor had any reports of, any Home units "upgrade without input," since the latest Windows Update mechanisms have been put into place. And it's driving me crazy on many groups that no matter how many times it's explained that "fully automatic" no longer exists, those who got used to that and liked it, keep asking why it doesn't happen.

I do know that full automatic *can* happen, but the only circumstance I know of it actually happening on Windows 10 Home these days is when someone has not applied the Feature Update (whether by Download and install link, or otherwise) after Microsoft has declared the roll-out period as being at its end.

To me, if the end user has to institute a Feature Update in the manner they must these days under Windows 10 Home, it cannot be called automatic in any meaningful sense of that word.

 

[britechguy]

Mark, see here: How Microsoft handles diagnostic data

As well as the surrounding material, but this is where, specifically, the four levels of telemetry data are discussed in detail, with links to the detailed information for each level.

 

[Porthos]

All you will see for a long time is the following. Usually until the next feature update in November probably longer. It is no longer forced.

 

[britechguy]

It is no longer forced.

Yup. And it has been this way going back several Versions now, but I honestly can't remember when it debuted. I believe it may have come in after the disaster that was the roll-out for 1809, but even before the actual 1903 Feature Update.

But when it came is irrelevant. It's here, and it absolutely prevents a Feature Update from being applied under Windows 10 Home without direct user intervention. "When you're ready for the update. . ."

 

[Porthos]

But when it came is irrelevant. It's here, and it absolutely prevents a Feature Update from being applied under Windows 10 Home without direct user intervention. "When you're ready for the update. . ."

Until the nags start in about 18 months. Which is the time MS stops pushing any security patches on WU for the particular Feature update.

 

[britechguy]

Until the nags start in about 18 months. Which is the time MS stops pushing any security patches on WU for the particular Feature update.

Well, we're back to "stupid is as stupid does" if anyone is allowing their systems to go un-updated for a period that long. We're five years in to Windows As A Service, and it's known that the support period for all Versions is quite finite.

If you're not updating in a timely fashion, and 18 months after the initial release of the Version you're currently running isn't timely, then you need to have your ass nagged off.

 

[timeshifter]

When I first saw this thread title I'm thinking...

Office 2004?
Server 2004?
and so on.....

Me too.

Last year it was 1903, i.e. in March. Guess they called it an April update or 04 on purpose. Imagine the confusion if it had been version 2003.

 

[britechguy]

Well, the naming convention for Windows 10 Versions has been YYMM ever since day one, even if MM was the *target* release month rather than the actual release month.

Just two days ago I took someone to task (mildly) for referring to Windows 10 Version two thousand and four. The naming convention has dictated breaking the YY into one thing said, and MM a separate thing said, ever since the beginning and I can count only a very few occasions where this has not been adhered to, even among the non-technical. It's Windows 10 twenty oh four. Leading zeros are always "oh"s and retained when discussing version numbers (and not just for Windows).

 

[Porthos]

Guess they called it an April update or 04

It was finalized in April and released in May.

 

[Sky-Knight]

@Porthos, I read a blog post from a MS engineer that stated they released this update in April specifically because they did not want it to be 2003.

March / September is the Azure dev cycle march, which is where Windows is now.

But 1809 was a train wreck, 1903 was six months late because of it (and this is where the update behavior changed), and 1909 was a single digit increment psudo-release just to get back on schedule.

2004 is the first update we've really had since 1903.

 

[britechguy]

@Porthos2004 is the first update we've really had since 1903.

And from all I've heard, the second release of 2020 is going to be much like Version 1909 was in terms of having a very limited scope of changes.

 

[Porthos]

2004 is the first update we've really had since 1903.

That is true.

And from all I've heard, the second release of 2020 is going to be much like Version 1909 was in terms of having a very limited scope of changes.

I read that as well. Actually hope goes that way.

Also, 1909 was not forced either.

 

[Sky-Knight]

And from all I've heard, the second release of 2020 is going to be much like Version 1909 was in terms of having a very limited scope of changes.

I'm going to hope Microsoft continues that trend straight into the... we're just not doing two releases a year.

1 release a year, with a 2 year support cycle is light years better than 2 releases a year, with an 18 month support cycle.