Iran hits military bases in Iraq with Coalition forces

[callthatgirl]

Go away.

 

[Mike McCall]

Well of course not. That would require the ability for critical thinking.

And this is where civil discourse leaves the building. The sweeping pre-judgement and rejection of anyone who may think differently, or hold a different opinion than our own does nothing but inflame, and result in an us vs. them mentality. I don't have to agree or disagree with you to be willing to listen to your point of view. That's called conversation, and it's needed for progress to be made. Constructive conversation among people more willing to listen than make sure everyone knows what they think (and how they're right), the more likely we are to find things we can agree about. However, when people start sounding-off with comments which seem a lot like; "I'm right and you're an idiot," there's no place for the conversation to go but down. I'd like to think we're better than that.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Red vs Blue RAH RAH! *puke*

The Trumps were Democrats until relatively recently... and the Clintons behave like and run on a platform similar to Republicans from the early 80s.

But don't mess with MY team, because MY PEOPLE are amazing, and yours suck...

Because reasons.

We're fighting a "war" in a country we replaced the government in... because what would become British Petroleum didn't want to pay taxes. All that said, I shed no tears that monster is dead. So much blood on his hands... Not that our hands are even remotely clean... But at least here in the states we let the economic engine and poverty kill people, we don't just come out and shoot them because reasons... oh wait... yeah we do actually don't we? Crap!

Again, we just can't have an adult conversation... why is beyond me. Especially now, Millenials are the most educated generation in the history of the world. We're pushing 40 now... we have electoral, financial, and political power. We should know better... But nope, we're just more educated liars I guess.

 

[phaZed]

If people post political posts, they expect everyone to side with their point of view.

Some things are a point of view, others are facts and have no care about your view. The trick is for people to recognize facts, regardless of what they think of them, no matter how much they do or don't like them.

Insults usually are not thrown out there until one side blatantly disregards an argument or fact, not when they simply join the conversation.

Go away.

That would be an example of what not to do.

 

[callthatgirl]

That was personal, not about this post lol. He chases me around on here giving me crap, he can go away.

 

[Markverhyden]

Google "Iran hostage crisis" of 1979.

This problem started long before that, as in over 1000 years ago. When Muslim's invaded Europe Christians, obviously, fought back. Once the Iberian peninsula was freed their attention turned to Jerusalem, the center of Abrahamic faiths. Devout Muslim's still point to the Crusaders invading their Holy Land, even using the term, Crusaders, regularly to refer to Westerners being in and controlling/influencing traditional Muslim lands. A clear violation of their faith.

It's conflict of religions in their eyes. And religion relies on faith not logic.

This is my take on this age old conflict. Christianity and Judaism are much older than Islam, by hundreds of years. Both have been through all of the violent conflicts that religions went through back then. I think that collectively they learned violence, as in war, is not a winning solution. So both of those faiths integrated logic into their faiths. Most Muslims are not there. Yet.

 

[britechguy]

(In response to the observation regarding critical thinking - or the lack thereof - in Trump supporters, most of whom express direct contempt for consideration of world opinion in setting US policy).
And this is where civil discourse leaves the building.

And I respectfully disagree with your premise.

I do not know how anyone could consider those who dismiss world opinion regarding the United States, its policies, and its actions as exhibiting critical thinking skills.

And this is a general statement not related to this single incident. The United States is not an island, and alliances and the opinions of our allies, and even our enemies, absolutely, positively need to be taken into account.

The power of accurate observation is very often highly offensive to those who do not possess it. That doesn't make it wrong or inaccurate.

People can come to diametrically opposed opinions when considering the same information, but simply dismissing our standing in world opinion as a factor worth considering is simply unwise because it chooses to ignore history.

 

[Sky-Knight]

@Markverhyden That religious angle is often overlooked. It may be better to say there's a cultural war going on, as the rest of the world attempts to modernize the culture of the Middle East. Despite their protestations, it is happening. But the thing most people don't seem to understand is that when you're dealing with uneducated highly religious people, there is only one way to convince them to give up a "holy war". You have to redefine their definition of God. And historically speaking there's only one lever large enough to do that... war on a near genocidal scale. Which for obvious reasons, no one wants to do, even if the political right in our nation at the moment sort of plays to that idea.

You can apply the concepts of that holy war dedication in the culture above, to the hero worship stupidity we have dominating both major political parties in the US today as well. The TLDR is we have to kill the idea that you are the enemy because I disagree with you. That's a fundamental concept all democracies and republics depend on to exist. We cannot self govern without it.

 

[Porthos]

He chases me around on here

 

[callthatgirl]

you goofy, no. . He knows what he does to me, I'm sure he'll chime in when he wakes up and posts a long message about how I can't write ebooks and cut and paste all my content off the internet.

 

[River Valley Computer]

Well said Mike!

 

[Porthos]

you goofy, no

LOL

 

[Mike McCall]

And I respectfully disagree with your premise.

I do not know how anyone could consider those who dismiss world opinion regarding the United States, its policies, and its actions as exhibiting critical thinking skills.

And this is a general statement not related to this single incident. The United States is not an island, and alliances and the opinions of our allies, and even our enemies, absolutely, positively need to be taken into account.

The power of accurate observation is very often highly offensive to those who do not possess it. That doesn't make it wrong or inaccurate.

People can come to diametrically opposed opinions when considering the same information, but simply dismissing our standing in world opinion as a factor worth considering is simply unwise because it chooses to ignore history.

My premise is that such statements are generally based in opinions formed through hearsay, or a stereotypical portrayal seen, rather than direct conversations with those they're making sweeping judgements about. They presuppose that anyone who might support someone we might detest must be either an idiot or a fool. Those notions are seen in both the left and the right, and they harm any chance of meaningful conversation. We (generally speaking) are sorely lacking in civility, especially in recent years here in the U.S. We tend to isolate ourselves from anyone we disagree with while surrounding ourselves with like-minded people, which makes it easier to stereotype those not in our group.

I have friends who are decidedly left, and I have friends who are decidedly right. Both groups have well-reasoned convictions regarding topics they disagree on. I have my own convictions which may or may not agree with either group. Some see me as belonging to the "other group" and dismiss me merely because I don't outright agree with their position. The result is constructive conversation goes nowhere and people end up choosing sides and fighting. Aside from the stereotypes of the left and the right often portrayed in the media of choice, I find most people open to discussion, willing to listen, and starving to be genuinely heard. Less so, when the other person considers them incapable of rational thought at the outset. That's just not where meaningful conversation starts.

 

[Sky-Knight]

Oh, it's so nice to know I'm not the only one accused of being a pinko commie by the right, and a fascist/bigot/homophobe by the left.

 

[seedubya]

That was personal, not about this post lol. He chases me around on here giving me crap, he can go away.

That's pretty self-important, even for someone with your level of delusion. If by chase you around you mean I criticised and argued with you in one thread and that I see you as a pompous, over-blown, technically questionable, self-promoting gas bag that produces material of low to no value and continues to do so because everyone's afraid to call you out for that, then sure.

 

[callthatgirl]

Your post is a great example of why Trump supporters don't say they support him online. It's common for us to get attacked and have to deal with name calling. Your reply reminds me the comments on my YouTube channel "You're fat, get off camera". Meh, it's the internet. I put my **** out there, I expect to be name called by people who enjoy telling people mean comments.

Now let's move on to what matters, facts.

I'll agree with you that I'm technically questionable when it comes to Windows, servers, networks, routers, etc. I'm good at what I do for my work everyday, so that's all that really matters to my clients. My content is purchased by those that want to know what I'm selling. What did you buy that gives you the right to say my stuff is low to no value? I have refunded people in the past who came to me and said what they bought wasn't what they expected. Happy to refund you, just email me. Lisa@callthatgirl.biz

I'll agree that I'm a self promoting gas bag lol. I might use that line in my next video, check it out here on my YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/CallThatGirl

 

[Your PCMD]

I like warm milk with cookies!

 

[callthatgirl]

 

[oldtech]

Political Discussions on TN be like....

 

[JoeTech]

The problems aren't just with the US and aren't going away after the next election if Trump loses.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/shanephipps/2019/01/28/politics-isnt-killing-us-confirmation-bias-is/

"Social media and 24-hour news networks have made confirmation bias too easy to feed. Anyone can put together a sure-fire collection of news outlets that will never let them down. They will never be challenged to think beyond what they already believe. They will never be forced to find empathy for people with different world views. They will never grow"