I think I'm moving to Linux...

LordIntruder said:
you spelled "I don't give a f*ck about what is written in this thread and just want to tell my own opinion after reading the headline" nearly correct.

hint: never use "TLDR" in a thread handling a "religious" war. You are cannon fodder as fast as you can outthink of...
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I think he was TLDR ing his own post. That is, he is providing a summary of his own post in case you don't want to read the whole thing.
 
LordIntruder said:
@glennd, thanks for helping me out with this misunderstanding. I apologize to @trevm999. Please don't bear a grudge, I am german and the english language is not the native one to/for me.
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All good @LordIntruder and no need to keep apologising. :p
We understand that there are many on here where English is not their native language.
Someone will set you straight if you get out of line!
Hey if you want a good job of someone butchering a language, just listen to me trying to speak German! :eek::oops::rolleyes::confused:
 
@Barcelona believe me: google translation is not the answer, it is - like microsoft - the question. the answer is "no!" I will keep going on to write in an international spoken language even if my grammar and spelling is terrible. I believe that that is the better decision.
Beside that: your sentence was nearly perfect. Remove the question mark, set a full stop instead and it is perfect.
 
sapphirescales said:
No. The ford isn't weird crap because it's a Ford. What Linux has is some weird off the wall company that made it's first car 3 months ago for a niche market of people that like to go 22mph at all times. First off, the niche market is TOO niche. That car company probably won't be around for long. Second of all, who wants a car that can only go 22mph?

There just isn't enough support from enough users because practically NO ONE uses Linux as their desktop OS. They're targeting such a small niche that I don't trust them to be around for long.

I'm not talking about Linux on the server or Android or anything else. I'm talking about Linux as a DESKTOP OS that NORMAL EVERYDAY PEOPLE actually use! That's like, what? 2% of the market? Using Linux for your desktop OS is like betting on the skinny 5 year old girl at the hot dog eating contest when she's surrounded by fat adult men that have been doing hot dog eating contests for 20+ years.

I'd rather just use a freaking Chromebook because at least Google's behind it, and everything is done in the browser so you don't have to worry about weird off the wall programs self destructing, or a software update bricking your OS installation.
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Not really sure what that waffle has to do with Photoshop vs GIMP but I hope you feel better for getting it off your chest.

I think I prefer your other posts where you brag about stuff like charging customers $800 for things like making eye contact with them.
 
There's too much conflating of 'user-friendly' with 'what I know about'. All you Windows experts (sic) would be lost in Windows 10 if you didn't have years of experience of Windows and its common applications. Why do you think you should be able to parachute in to Linux and be an instant expert there too?

Same applies to Photoshop/Gimp, AutoCAD/FreeCAD (3D) or LibreCAD (2D), MS Office/LibreOffice, ...
 
Barely takes maybe a couple of minutes to tweak 10 to where I like it. Have patches controlled by our RMM (N-Central), the ad popups are incredibly easy to kill.

Thing for me is..I need to get at software I use on a daily basis. Granted many things are web based, my office rig needs some standard biz apps at our HQ...like Quickbooks 2018, but also more and more I need cloud apps and things like Office 365 Sharepoint, OneDrive...

Used to dual boot years ago, OpenSUSE was my daily driver for a while. But honestly since Win7 came out...been all straight up Windows.
 
NJW said:
There's too much conflating of 'user-friendly' with 'what I know about'. All you Windows experts (sic) would be lost in Windows 10 if you didn't have years of experience of Windows and its common applications. Why do you think you should be able to parachute in to Linux and be an instant expert there too?

Same applies to Photoshop/Gimp, AutoCAD/FreeCAD (3D) or LibreCAD (2D), MS Office/LibreOffice, ...
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I'm more than willing to learn new things. I actually find this type of thing FUN! But Windows just makes sense. Despite how much I hate Windows 10, the ONLY thing I really hate about it is forced updates that can brick your computer. I love pretty much everything else. It's a great OS, if they can just make the updates more stable. I must say, 1709 is quite an improvement. It's still not there yet though. Microsoft is focusing on the wrong things like adding features when they should really just work on the functionality of the OS like they did in previous versions.

The problem with Linux is it has no real support. If you have a problem and you do a Google search, there's MUCH less people talking about your exact problem so it ends up being difficult (if not impossible) to fix. If things go to h*ll in Linux, you're SOL. I could run my invoicing and accounting through Linux. In fact, my invoicing software has a Linux version. But if Linux failed to boot for one reason or another, I'd be completely and totally F*CKED! Almost ALL notable software does NOT run on Linux. If Linux could run Windows software, or if it got mainstream support from major software vendors, I'd be happy to look into it as a serious replacement for Windows. I mean, why not? Even if I didn't replace ALL my Windows installations, I might be able to supplement them with Linux.
 
Okay, a lot to respond to, but a lot of it is the same, so I'll just do a general response.

First, fixing Windows 10. Yeah, I would be for that. Tell me more.

Second, Mac. Not going to happen. I don't sell Mac. I can't sell Mac. Apple doesn't want me to sell Mac because I can't sell 10 a week. The most profitable non-religious corporation in the world isn't interested in the "little guy" like me, so I'm not interested in paying an extra $300+ just to get a picture of a half-eaten apple on my computer. Also, I tend to avoid other people's religious beliefs and every Mac person I know worships at the church of Apple. I have literally never been told a bad thing about Mac by a Mac fanatic, which means they aren't objective, which means their opinion can't be trusted.

To those relating Android to Linux, don't be obtuse. Yes, Android is Linux and millions of people use it just fine every day...on phones and tablets and other NOT PCs. You go ahead and install Android on a PC and see how useful that is to you. Obviously that's not the conversation we are having.

To those mentioning Linux on routers and servers and other things COMPLETELY unrelated to the conversation we are having...ok. This is back to the "religious beliefs" thing here. If I could get the OS off my router and on to my computer, would that do ANYTHING for me? No. So is it relevant to the conversation? No. So why bring it up? I insulted your "savior", you must defend.

To those who claim that I'm using 20 year old Linux or using knowledge from 20 years ago, Google "Ubuntu icon on desktop". Like everything I don't know, I'm GOOGLING how to do things in Linux and it ALWAYS comes back to the command prompt. Google how to do ANYTHING in Linux and you will get command prompt. And you know what? I'm pretty sure you people know that already. Again, you're defending Linux like I just insulted your gods. If YOU are happy with Linux, great! Use it and enjoy it! But if you're going to tell me that I don't have to use the command line to do simple things...come on. You KNOW better. What you're really saying is that I don't have to use the command line to do simple things IF I FIRST use the command line to install packages so that I don't have to use the command line to do simple thing.

If you love Linux, FINE. You are entitled to your opinion of Linux. But so am I. And NOTHING I said about Linux is in any way unfair or outdated. Google how to do something in Linux TODAY and you will get answers in the command prompt. This is not be being unfair to Linux, this is the facts of how Linux STILL works in the 21st century. If you don't have to use the command line to do something in Linux it's because you've installed a package, likely through the command line, to make that task easier. So for me to say "Everything uses the command line", that is not inaccurate, outdated or wrong any more than I would be wrong by saying, "Windows 10 is full of ads" if someone were to counter "No it's not! You just have to install this program to get rid of them!" Well yes, that may be true, but Windows 10 IS "full of ads", you can just install a "package" to get rid of them. It doesn't make the original statement not true.

I don't care if you love Linux. You enjoy loving Linux. I'm fine with it. But you need to be fine with my opinion of it too. I didn't insult your mothers or claim your god was a goat "lover", I just mentioned some things I didn't like about Linux and they are things which are ABSOLUTELY true. Before you start bashing me for being stupid (which is what some of you were doing), try Googling it yourself. See for yourself what answers are out there for common tasks TODAY before you start bashing me for being "wrong". The fact is, I'm not wrong. EVERYTHING uses the command line in "Linux". Not "Android, a version of Linux, which is on my phone", not "The software which runs the web page interface on my router", not "A server which you never have to touch after getting it set up, USING the command line", not "Some specialty version of Linux with all the setup commands put into scripts which auto-run at install", Linux for a desktop PC.
 
On a side note, I'm sure everyone here is fully aware that the GUI in Linux is not the OS itself. You can exit the GUI without shutting Linux down. When I say that everything in Linux comes down to the command line, that's not my opinion. Linux IS the command line. Any GUI is just the window dressing running on top of it. And again, I'm sure everyone here is aware of that, even as they're arguing with me that it's not true.
 
Kirby said:
On a side note, I'm sure everyone here is fully aware that the GUI in Linux is not the OS itself. You can exit the GUI without shutting Linux down. When I say that everything in Linux comes down to the command line, that's not my opinion. Linux IS the command line. Any GUI is just the window dressing running on top of it. And again, I'm sure everyone here is aware of that, even as they're arguing with me that it's not true.
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I recommend deleting this post, it's like you're trolling, but I assume you just don't know
 
If you do a google search for problem X Linux, you're going to get command line answers because that interface is available on all Linux platforms.

If you do a google search for Ubuntu X, you're going to get command line AND GUI answers depending on the nature of the problem. Just like you do for Windows...

The OS is not its shell. There are a near infinite number of shells for *nix platforms. Windows has 1 shell, explorer.exe.

Now if you do a google search for Debian X, you're going to get command line stuff mostly because that OS is commonly used as a server platform, and Linux servers tend to be command line driven. Interestingly enough Microsoft is trying to get us all to do the same thing with Server 2012/2016. Desktop experience has to be installed separately.
 
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