I hate Norton

vdub12

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I have a new one for yeah all.

I got a call the other day from a customer that was on satellite internet that has gotten FAPed repeatedly over the last week because one of his computers had a constant stream of data.

Well today was the appointment and i showed up and started looking at the system. Right off the bat I could see that the network was solid with activity. I run TCPview and notice that its coming from svchost from a strange IP address that wasn't ms. I think it was 69.147.148.x occasionally changing but staying on that network. I whois'ed it and found it was an IP from another ISP I can't remember which one. My first impression was adware but I wanted to investigate further. I opened process explorer and checked the properties for the offending pid. I started killing services until the data stopped. It turned out it was BITS (background intelligent transfer service) causing the network traffic. So I thought I solved it, must be windows update. So I restarted the computer and killed the update service and noticed its still transferring data from the same network. All of a sudden Norton live update kicks in with the same destination network but different address. I though well that's a quintessence. So I uninstall Norton using the Norton uninstaller, restart the computer and its still transferring from the same network. By this time I have killed just about every non MS process trying to narrow this thing down. I can't run wireshark because for some reason it can't get packet information from the USB wireless card that the customers using. I disable BITS and the transferring stops but with BITS disabled you can't run Windows update.

Finally the customer says that nothing on the computer is important and tells me to just reload it. I do some paperwork and take the system back to my shop. Not wanting to admit defeat I decide I am only going to charge the customer for what he wanted, a flat fee reload, but i was going to figure this out. Now that I am in my zone I have a much better chance. I connect the computer to my network using the Ethernet instead of the WIFI and I fire wireshark up. At the same time i have my netbook right next to me watching my bandwidth on my routers DD-WRT gui. To my surprise its peaking at around 20Mbps no wonder he kept getting faped. I start looking at the packets in wireshark and notice that they are coming from port 1120 which is a port used by battle.net. I start thinking that maybe its got some crazy rootkit game server on it. So I start process monitor and I filter everything but the offending pid. I start seeing all these writes to the application data folder in all users under Norton. So I go to the folder and find 3Gb of tmp files labeled BITxx.tmp with xx being a number letter combo.

I try everything to stop it. There is not one single process from Norton running and all I can assume is that once BITS gets started it can't be stopped or maybe it was a bug in BITS because Norton had been gone for hours at this point. Once the download hit a little over 4Gb it just stopped, I deleted all the temp files and the network hasn't flickered since. I am updating the system to SP3 right now and I am going to install all the windows updates after that but I still don't know what was causing the download to continue after Norton was gone. The system is very clean, no adware, not even much data. Once Norton was gone it actually ran pretty good.

Any way now I have a new reason to hate Norton, or love it when you consider how much money it makes me, lol.
 
I have a system in the shop right now where the customer was having issues with Internet Explorer locking up. Problem has been getting progressively worse until it just quit starting up all together. Firefox works fine and no other problems. I go through and give it a thorough tune-up, get rid of all the tool bars and whatnot from IE8 including the Norton Toolbar and disabled the "identity protection" features and it makes no difference. Uninstall IE8 which left IE6. Interesting thing is that the Norton toolbar is back, but it does work. Install IE7 and of course it won't run. Ran the Norton removal tool and what do you know, it works perfectly. Re-installed IE8 and things are still great. Installing Security Essentials on it right now.
 
I have been doing 1 or 2 of those a week.

People call me specifically to remove Norton.
 
I had one similar to OPs post a while ago it was a pal of mine, from what i saw was it was trying to do a update, but for some reason it was updating the same update it just updated. Had no idea why.

And its always Nortan to, I did have someone tell me its only when you update version to version, compared to clean re-install of nortan, don't think thats true.
 
So are we now saying that the Norton uninstaller is not doing the complete job?
(this would not surprise me at all)

Might it be better to use something like Revo that reaches deeper into registry entries? (Revo has always been a favorite of mine).
 
So are we now saying that the Norton uninstaller is not doing the complete job?
(this would not surprise me at all)

Might it be better to use something like Revo that reaches deeper into registry entries? (Revo has always been a favorite of mine).

I don't think that's the case. I think what happened was the Norton the customer had was preinstalled and out of date. I think Norton was automatically updating the program using BITS when I uninstalled it. Some how I think the bug here was in BITS because once Norton initiated the download BITS was going after it like crazy without any input from Norton, Norton was completely gone. My network was peaking at over 20Mbps. So not only was it using way more bandwidth then I though BITS was designed for but it also did nothing with the data once it had completed the download it just all of a sudden stopped downloading at around 4.2Gb. I think the fact that the problem was associated with Norton was just out of chance. Also I don't know why Norton's update would be over 4Gb unless it was downloading the complete install.
 
Norton 360 & ?

i have had problems with customers who have installed norton 360.i personally hate this thing that norton created. i get phone calls from people who say there systems have locked up. the first question i ask,is u have norton 360.yes is the the usual answer.i have heard from people that the new stand alone antivirus is much improved. i remember the days when norton system works. The older version of the norton antivirus was the king way back,but like some of the others Macafee suites etc are not that much better.

tech0007
 
i have had problems with customers who have installed norton 360.i personally hate this thing that norton created. i get phone calls from people who say there systems have locked up. the first question i ask,is u have norton 360.yes is the the usual answer.i have heard from people that the new stand alone antivirus is much improved. i remember the days when norton system works. The older version of the norton antivirus was the king way back,but like some of the others Macafee suites etc are not that much better.

tech0007

The part that surprises me is that I know the people working at these company's are not dumb a*s's. Don't they notice that there software takes up more system resources then viruses on a badly infected machines. I consider Norton one of the worse viruses out there right now.
 
The part that surprises me is that I know the people working at these company's are not dumb a*s's. Don't they notice that there software takes up more system resources then viruses on a badly infected machines. I consider Norton one of the worse viruses out there right now.
Well to their credit, starting last year (or maybe the year before) the 360 product has two little gauges on the user gui that are supposed to read out the cpu and memory usage. I can only think that this was in response to the complaints about being a gavone.
 
Well to their credit, starting last year (or maybe the year before) the 360 product has two little gauges on the user gui that are supposed to read out the cpu and memory usage. I can only think that this was in response to the complaints about being a gavone.

that gauge could be a coder trick to make it look like its not a pig.after all norton 360 locks up machines

tech0007
 
that gauge could be a coder trick to make it look like its not a pig.after all norton 360 locks up machines

tech0007

You know I have seen that before. The system will be running so slow you can barley open add and remove programs and that gauge says Norton is only using 3% system resources. Then after Norton is gone the system feels like a new computer. I think the gauge is a complete fabrication.
 
You know I have seen that before. The system will be running so slow you can barley open add and remove programs and that gauge says Norton is only using 3% system resources. Then after Norton is gone the system feels like a new computer. I think the gauge is a complete fabrication.

Doesn't the gauge consume even more resources of an already bogged system?
 
So are we now saying that the Norton uninstaller is not doing the complete job?
(this would not surprise me at all)

Might it be better to use something like Revo that reaches deeper into registry entries? (Revo has always been a favorite of mine).

Speaking of the Norton Uninstaller, check this out. Start from the 4th paragraph down:
http://www.usnews.com/money/busines...-norton-sunbelts-vipre-speed-pc-security.html

Not sure if that ever made it to printed newspapers though.
 
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