Getting blamed for a problem you didn't cause

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Recently, I setup someone with verizon email. Verizon will automatically log you out after about 45 minutes of no typing. This guy would type for an hour , leave for an hour, then hit the send key ignoring all the logged out messages.
Of course he blames me now for losing all his email for a year!:mad:
 
Recently, I setup someone with verizon email. Verizon will automatically log you out after about 45 minutes of no typing. This guy would type for an hour , leave for an hour, then hit the send key ignoring all the logged out messages.
Of course he blames me now for losing all his email for a year!:mad:

Why the hell wouldn't he hit send before walking away? Most things time out too... sheesh.
 
Yeah and then you get blasted for trying to upsell her on other problems that she didn't know about and that she didn't ask to get fixed. Upselling usually just pisses people off.

Performing thorough diagnostics will never be perceived as upselling if you are honestly not using them to upsell but to inform your client the state of their computer. Document everything that you find, inform them about the diagnosis and validate your findings. Provide several options to fix it, migrate to a new system or leave it as is. In my experience clients have been grateful that I found issues that could render their valuable data lost forever and I warned them beforehand. Not only does it protect you but it informs your clients the health of their computer.

Take this same idea and think about two auto shops: One honest and thorough and the other deceitful and just out to make a buck.

The honest shop will check over the entire car and annotate the percentages left on your brake pads, the life expectancy of your air filter, mention the recommend service intervals for your make and model, and provide validating reasons for their findings. Their sole purpose for doing this is to look after the safety of their customers and keep their vehicles maintained. They have plenty of business, get tons of referrals and when confronted will recommend getting a second opinion. If you approach your clients and their computers the same way this will never be perceived as upselling.

On the other hand, the deceitful shop will try to sell you an air filter and a fuel system flush, change your oil and filter and send you on your way without ever looking over your car or annotating any findings. When confronted they always backpedal and usually "misplace" your old parts. Why the air filter and fuel system flush? Their inexpensive with a large markup and can be done in minutes to get you down the road in order to sell the next customer. The have a high attrition rate for their clientèle and offer unbelievable discounts on services in order to bring in new customers. Sound like pizza tech tactics to you?

Why do I know this? When I was a teenager in high school I worked for an oil change place that hired a ex-radio disk jockey to "manage" the store. He was one of the best salesman I have ever seen. He would sell at least 10 air filters and fuel system flushes a day and a majority of them before the work order made it back to the shop for us to do the work. I left quickly after that and never worked in the auto industry again.
 
I'll take the guy who just changes my oil and shuts up :)

Performing thorough diagnostics will never be perceived as upselling if you are honestly not using them to upsell but to inform your client the state of their computer. Document everything that you find, inform them about the diagnosis and validate your findings. Provide several options to fix it, migrate to a new system or leave it as is. In my experience clients have been grateful that I found issues that could render their valuable data lost forever and I warned them beforehand. Not only does it protect you but it informs your clients the health of their computer.

Take this same idea and think about two auto shops: One honest and thorough and the other deceitful and just out to make a buck.

The honest shop will check over the entire car and annotate the percentages left on your brake pads, the life expectancy of your air filter, mention the recommend service intervals for your make and model, and provide validating reasons for their findings. Their sole purpose for doing this is to look after the safety of their customers and keep their vehicles maintained. They have plenty of business, get tons of referrals and when confronted will recommend getting a second opinion. If you approach your clients and their computers the same way this will never be perceived as upselling.

On the other hand, the deceitful shop will try to sell you an air filter and a fuel system flush, change your oil and filter and send you on your way without ever looking over your car or annotating any findings. When confronted they always backpedal and usually "misplace" your old parts. Why the air filter and fuel system flush? Their inexpensive with a large markup and can be done in minutes to get you down the road in order to sell the next customer. The have a high attrition rate for their clientèle and offer unbelievable discounts on services in order to bring in new customers. Sound like pizza tech tactics to you?

Why do I know this? When I was a teenager in high school I worked for an oil change place that hired a ex-radio disk jockey to "manage" the store. He was one of the best salesman I have ever seen. He would sell at least 10 air filters and fuel system flushes a day and a majority of them before the work order made it back to the shop for us to do the work. I left quickly after that and never worked in the auto industry again.
 
Yeah and then you get blasted for trying to upsell her on other problems that she didn't know about and that she didn't ask to get fixed. Upselling usually just pisses people off.

What I have learned, is that I tell everyone up front that everything that walks through our door gets a full diagnostic up front no matter what is wrong with it. This is so that we don't accidentally charge you to fix something on a computer that may have a different catastrophic failure a week from now. We just want to be thorough with your system.

Since I started this, I've never had anyone get irritated because of an upsell, and most of them are rather thankful for it. Not to mention, I make a lot more money this way.
 
First off, everyone would avoid this issue if they did two things

Price your self out of that market:

If you are a bargain computer repair shop and charge little to nothing, then these are the types of customers you are going to get. You need to price your self in the range of customers who are not going to try and get one over on you. These are the same customers who are more likely to be reasonable and understand that you get what you pay for.

Run a FULL diagnostics on every computer regardless of the issue:

I learned to do this a very long time ago and jft135 is really the only other one smart enough to suggest this. If the customer wants to refuse a diagnostics, then refuse their business, simple as that. Trust me, if they refuse a diagnostics, you don't want to deal with that customer anyways.

Other reasons why you should run a full diagnostics with each repair:

Many of the people who come in for a virus removal or a tune-up on their computer end up with a hard drive replacement because their hard drive is failing. Why, because often times the same symptoms can be caused by a failing hard drive. Even if their is a virus, there is no sense in removing it on a failing hard drive.

Half of the screen replacements that come in also have failing hard drives due to the nature of the accident.

And just as suggested before, reasonable people (the ones you hopefully target) will be happier that you helped them prevent data loss or told them about problems before they wasted their money. In fact, if you aren't running a full diagnostics before every repair and informing your customer of issues found before you do any repairs, then you are shady as crap.

Only shady people refuse to run a full diagnostics with each repair

Finally, as far as I am concerned, only shady shops decide not to run a full diagnostics. These shops are typically the ones who will only repair the obvious issues, knowing that the customer will probably be back to fix something else that should have been caught the first time it was in the shop. For instance, if you replace the screen and their hard drive was failing, but you did not check it (or if you did and did not inform them that it was failing), then your almost guaranteed to replace that failing hard drive in a matter of months. However, had you checked that hard drive and told them it was failing, they probably would just opt to get a new computer. Just another shady practice that focuses on you being #1 instead of your customer.


ProTech Support

Once sold a custom built computer to a customer....the person had given me a lot of trouble in the past, so I had her come to the store to sit down and use it before she took it home. She was there for about an hour, than left.

You should have known better and refused her business. Period.

usacvlr

Yeah and then you get blasted for trying to upsell her on other problems that she didn't know about and that she didn't ask to get fixed. Upselling usually just pisses people off.

As mentioned before, you are obviously doing wrong and obviously not pricing your self out of that market.


Austin

I get this all the time.

Same as above.

jft135

What I have learned, is that I tell everyone up front that everything that walks through our door gets a full diagnostic up front no matter what is wrong with it. This is so that we don't accidentally charge you to fix something on a computer that may have a different catastrophic failure a week from now. We just want to be thorough with your system.

One of the only smart people to respond to this topic.
 
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I understand what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is that, full diagnostic or no, each and every one of us either has or will run into the sort of customer who will blame us for issues we did not cause. I, for one, could not run my business based solely on knowledgeable business customers, there is simply not enough business in my area to do so. And I am sure that many techs make a fair amount of money in the residential market.

Knowing that this market is my bread and butter, and that many residential customers are at a loss when it comes to understanding the finer points of how their machine works, I do make it a point to run a full diagnostic, educate my customers, and document, document, document. And, for my market I am not overly cheap, nor overly expensive. I think the OP's point was that there does exist the customer for whom no level of documentation or service is enough to satisfy them. In his case it may very well have been easier to comp the repair job than to go on arguing with a person who may never be swayed.

I guess my point is - lighten up a little. We have all seen a difficult customer, and always will no matter our due diligence. Performing thorough and well-documented work may shield us from that type of customer, but every now and then, one will get through. Guaranteed.
 
If it's a new customer that I haven't developed a relationship with I always keep in mind that many people EXPECT to get ripped off more often than getting good, honest service.

First off, ask yourself if it really IS your problem. If the customer came in with corrupt OS files and you did a CHKDSK and replaced the file, then their hard drive completely failed 3 days later, IT'S YOUR FAULT if you never properly scanned and diagnosed the drive. These kinds of oversights might be an opportunity to create and maintain proper Operating Procedures so that these things don't happen again and you have better service and happier customers.

In the event that it is a complete coincidence, what I do is explain that the problem is a separate issue that could have happened months after service. If the problem is simple, I tell them I will fix it as a courtesy because I understand that computers, like cars, can be frustrating and I like to take care of my customers. If it's more involved I offer a small discount.

The big thing is not to be apologetic or too accommodating in a way that makes the customer feel like they 'busted' you. That is almost as bad as refusing to do the service since they still have the same opinion of you.

REMEMBER, if they are ungrateful and annoyed when you finish, there was no point! Having said that there are always those few customers who can't be swayed and sometimes it's easier to fix their problem and cut them loose. They probably won't ever come back, but if someone feels they've been ripped off they will tell EVERYONE!
 
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tutor, I think you miss understood. When I said "price yourself out of that market" I was not meaning residential or commercial, I was referring to the market of home users who are cheap and want the whole world for nothing vs those who are willing to pay for good quality work and understand that you get what you pay for. Of course we are going to deal with this form time to time, but you can greatly minimize the likely hood by pricing your services outside of the bad customer market.

+1 on redfox.

Because I typically do not have to deal with this problem (thousands of computers and less than a handful) I do not have any formula for dealing with these problems. However, I basically explain that (if was not my fault) there was nothing that I could have done to prevent or cause this issue. I of course offer to look at their computer and see if I can't quickly fix the problem for free (5 to 10 minute fix) and if its going to take a substantial amount of time, I charge a fee. One thing that really saves my butt in those situations is that I have printable diagnostics logs from the diagnostics test run on the hardware.
 
Because I typically do not have to deal with this problem (thousands of computers and less than a handful) I do not have any formula for dealing with these problems. However, I basically explain that (if was not my fault) there was nothing that I could have done to prevent or cause this issue. I of course offer to look at their computer and see if I can't quickly fix the problem for free (5 to 10 minute fix) and if its going to take a substantial amount of time, I charge a fee. One thing that really saves my butt in those situations is that I have printable diagnostics logs from the diagnostics test run on the hardware.

Exactly, if you find yourself dealing with this frequently then the problem might be your service and/or procedures.

As far as a formula, I'm a big believer in written procedures for everything. (probably because of my career in a previous life)
 
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oh yeah, I most definitely have a written procedure and formula for diagnostics and troubleshooting, but when it comes to dealing with situations as described above, I typically know how to deal with people well enough to help them understand the situation.
 
Quite simple. Go in, find when the OS was installed. If it was before you ever set hands on the computer, it is impossible for you to have installed the counterfeit software.

If that's a problem with the system, you couldn't have done it.
 
I think we are on the same page, pcx. Just for a minute sounded like you were dealing in absolutes.

I shall now secure my flamethrower, and pick up a stiff drink. Sounds like I could use one.
 
Quite simple. Go in, find when the OS was installed. If it was before you ever set hands on the computer, it is impossible for you to have installed the counterfeit software.

If that's a problem with the system, you couldn't have done it.

I personally will not troubleshoot a program or OS that is pirated. Period. They either have to pay me to install a new one, buy the product key or go somewhere else.
 
I personally will not troubleshoot a program or OS that is pirated. Period. They either have to pay me to install a new one, buy the product key or go somewhere else.

Oh, I agree with you there. I am just saying in this case where the customer is complaining and he didn't realize it at the time just go in and see when the install was done. That way he covers his butt in case any legal issues arise. Plus it "hopefully" shows to the customer he didn't do it.

I don't touch pirated software either.
 
Oh, I agree with you there. I am just saying in this case where the customer is complaining and he didn't realize it at the time just go in and see when the install was done. That way he covers his butt in case any legal issues arise. Plus it "hopefully" shows to the customer he didn't do it.

I don't touch pirated software either.

yeah . . . not going to help him now, this thread is 3 years old ;)
 
Its an interesting conversation, and seems to have generated some refreshed discussion today after having sat in the background for awhile.

I guess we can all relate to 'that' customer, the stress involved with dealing which them, and the powerful motivation to do whatever we can to avoid having people come back to us.

Seems like the upshot of what has been said here is:

1. do a full diagnostic on every machine.

2. complete all the paperwork. every. time.

For those guys who do run a full 'diagnostic' on every machine, care to share your procedure?

As far as the paperwork goes, for my part, every customer has to physically or digitally sign a T&C document before any work is done on their machine. The T&C covers all the usual stuff. Its saved my butt a couple of times!

I dont go as far as taking photos of the machines or doing a full hardware inventory, but can see the sense in doing this.

Would be interested to hear what others are doing...
 
Haha, totally didn't realize that. That's what I get for browsing forums and posting when I've only had 2 hours of sleep.

I just saw recent posts and didn't even think to check to first post date.

But, it has sparked interesting and informative discussion non the less.
 
I've started doing a full diagnostic on every computer that comes in. I recently replaced a laptop screen. Once the screen was replaced, I booted into windows and found that the machine was badly infected and could also benefit from more RAM. I performed a few different scans (didn't remove anything) and wrote down the results. I then drafted a nice looking email recommending some things that she could do to improve the performance and security of her computer.

I've done two things here.

1. Offered additional services to the customer. Which means more revenue.
2. Proactively defended myself from the dreaded "Blame The Tech" game.
 
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