Fed up with Vista

[gunslinger]

I agree but your words were "if it aint broke, don't fix it" and for some people 98 is fine and in their opinion isn't broken. So going by that statment you would still recommend 98!

Nope. Most software made these days works with XP and does not work with 98 or Vista. When and if most software is made for Vista and not for XP that will make XP broken by default because it will no longer work with the apps. I want to use.

 

[dipper]

Like I said you can have any opinion you want even if its disproven with facts. I guess fully functional Vista machine is a subjective term.

Yes it is a subjective term which is what seems to be the main point of difference here.

Just because Vista doesn't support everything that XP does doesn't make it any less of an operating system for certain people. If Vista does what the actual user wants why should they care if Vista doesn't support XYZ printer or ABC software etc. ie if it works for them then thats great. If it doesn't then it is up to us techs to either get it to work or recommend they go back to XP.

Yesterday I had a tech say that a certain printer wouldn't work in MS Windows 2003 as it is old and there are no drivers. Do I throw up my hands and say Windows 2003 server is crap and install Windows 2000 Server? No I recommend what they can do.

My main concern is that you seem to have a blinkered vision and do not recommend Vista for anyone even if it would suit their needs perfectly.

 

[dipper]

Nope. Most software made these days works with XP and does not work with 98 or Vista. When and if most software is made for Vista and not for XP that will make XP broken by default because it will no longer work with the apps. I want to use.

In the customers eyes though it cannot be broken as they still use the same software they always had.

Also wasn't it you who complained about being "forced" to buy new software and hardware just to get Vista to work? So is it ok to force a user to buy new software for XP but not ok for Vista? You seem to have double standards?

 

[gunslinger]

"Just because Vista doesn't support everything that XP does doesn't make it any less of an operating system for certain people."

Thats exactly what makes it less functional, and therefore less of an operating system. Less than XP anyway. I guess if all certain people do is check their email now and then and never want to install any programs. Its fine for them, but why would they go to an OS thats needs more RAM and cost so much just to do that?

"My main concern is that you seem to have a blinkered vision and do not recommend Vista for anyone even if it would suit their needs perfectly."

Sure don't, because anything Vista can do XP can do better and on a more stable platform.

 

[gunslinger]

In the customers eyes though it cannot be broken as they still use the same software they always had.



Also wasn't it you who complained about being "forced" to buy new software and hardware just to get Vista to work? So is it ok to force a user to buy new software for XP but not ok for Vista? You seem to have double standards?

Wrong again, when they are using "software 2.0" and "software 4.2" comes out they may upgrade. If not and Microsoft still supports the OS they are using, why upgrade?

Would'nt have a problem with it if Vista was better than XP, but its not.
Again I think you are trying to compare the XP vs. Vista to the 98 vs. XP battle and you can't because XP was a mega leap over 98. Again, I have yet to see something Vista can do that XP cannot

 

[dipper]

Again better and stable are subjective terms.

I have heard others say that Vista is better and faster than XP. You as a tech should want to know how that can be so and ask suitable questions. You though put up the blinkers and say XP is best.

 

[dipper]

Wrong again, when they are using "software 2.0" and "software 4.2" comes out they may upgrade.

They "may" upgrade as you put it. They may not as well which makes the 98 machine in your own reasoning still a suitable machine.

BTW In a few years what will you tell people that you sold XP computers to that the latest software won't work!!!

or

When you recommend XP over Vista to a client (because Vista is crap according to you) and the client says but my mate Fred uses Vista for exactly what I want and he loves it and has no problems.

If I was you I would be trying hard to find out why people are happy using Vista and what is different on their machines than yours. You though put your head in the sand and ignore others and jump on the convenient excuse that "Vista is crap" bandwagon.

 

[gunslinger]

I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to say Vista is faster given two identical computers with the same specs. If you can show me that Vista is faster than XP given the same specs. I'd like to see it.
My idea of stable is no blue screens, freezing, or random data corruption among other things.

 

[gunslinger]

They "may" upgrade as you put it. They may not as well which makes the 98 machine in your own reasoning still a suitable machine.

BTW In a few years what will you tell people that you sold XP computers to that the latest software won't work!!!

or

When you recommend XP over Vista to a client (because Vista is crap according to you) and the client says but my mate Fred uses Vista for exactly what I want and he loves it and has no problems.

If I was you I would be trying hard to find out why people are happy using Vista and what is different on their machines than yours. You though put your head in the sand and ignore others and jump on the convenient excuse that "Vista is crap" bandwagon.

I think I said if the os is still supported.

I would say that Fred could have saved himself about $400 and Done the same thing with XP.

If I could find someone where I live that is happy with Vista I'd love to find out why. But so far no "happy Vista users" to be found here. ( hmmm...must be something in the water )

 

[NWPhotog]

Like I said you can have any opinion you want even if its disproven with facts.

The trouble is a different opinion than yours equals wrong to you. When you came across evidence that disproved your opinion you didn't ask questions concerning details you just tried to shout it down. I would hope you know exactly what transparent is. 'Nough said.

 

[gunslinger]

If I like chocolate and you like vanilla thats a difference of opinion. Vista being a bloated unstable OS thats not as good as XP at this point is fact. I'm still not sure why you are trying to insult me but if if it makes you feel better about Vista to each his own.....lol

 

[dipper]

If I could find someone where I live that is happy with Vista I'd love to find out why. But so far no "happy Vista users" to be found here. ( hmmm...must be something in the water )

So if you actually met someone in person you would be nice and civil to them.

When you meet someone online though you try and abuse the crap out of them!

Lovely double standards there!

 

[gunslinger]

I always try to be be nice and civil in person or online. Sorry if you feel abused Dipper.
If I met someone that had no issues with Vista I would love to see their system and software that they are running.

 

[dipper]

I always try to be be nice and civil in person or online. Sorry if you feel abused Dipper.
If I met someone that had no issues with Vista I would love to see their system and software that they are running.

But you have never asked me (or AFAIK anyone else on this list that likes Vista) why I like Vista, how I have it running, tweaks etc. You have just toally ignored people who run and use Vista and claim Vista is crap.

 

[gunslinger]

Compared to Xp it is crap. XP is faster , more stable, takes up less space, and at this point has far less issues.
Good point. Why do you like Vista? what makes it better than XP? What features does it have that makes it worth the $400-500 price tag? What can I do on a Vista machine that I can not do on an XP machine?

 

[NWPhotog]

But you have never asked me (or AFAIK anyone else on this list that likes Vista) why I like Vista, how I have it running, tweaks etc. You have just toally ignored people who run and use Vista and claim Vista is crap.

Well said Dipper.

As to Vista costing $300-$400 that is a joke? I can buy all the Vista Business Premium I want for $120. I forgot what cost on Vista Ultimate was but only a little more. For $399 I can get a complete new computer running Vista with monitor!

 

[gunslinger]

Vista Ultimate $319.99 newegg.com a lot more at the local shops.

I'm still waiting on answers to all my questions.

 

[gunslinger]

What? no answers yet? Maybe you forgot the simple questions I asked. Seeing as how you and your friend NWPhotog love Vista so much you would think one of you could tell me why Vista is better. My questions are:

Why do you like Vista? what makes it better than XP? What features does it have that make it worth the high price tag? What can I do on a Vista machine that I can not do on an XP machine?
You were all upset that I did not ask these questions of a "happy vista user" so I'm asking.

 

[NWPhotog]

Man Gunslinger you are so freaking funny! Do you think any of us are going to bother after page after page of chest thumping, brow beating, and bullying? LOL!

 

[gunslinger]

" chest thumping, brow beating, and bullying?"
I don't recall doing any of those things. The reason why you wont answer my questions is because you are wrong, and you know it. You know full well there is no reason to upgrade to Vista at this point. You know why you can't tell me why Vista is better than XP? Because its not, and you can't prove that it is. You also know you can not prove that Vista is faster than XP on the same hardware because its just not.
I started this post to explain why I was leaving Vista and going back to XP. Then you and Dipper came in to basicly tell me that it was all my fault that Vista wont work right. If you cannot back up your arguments with facts you have no argument.