Disclosure imminent apparently...

[GTP]

So, its been a long time coming, but with the British Govt, and military, US Govt officials, US Military, Chilean Govt and Chilean Military personel and several other governments now admitting that (UFO's) now called "UAP's" (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are in fact real and that they have crashed craft, wreckage and dead aliens, it seems its time for full disclosure.

They have also admitted they've been investigating them for many years, so it seems that people weren't crazy after all.

The internet is awash with every kind of "arm-chair-expert" sharing their opinion. From respected Journo's like Ross Coultardt to celebrities like Danica Patrick.

The US Govt is releasing more and more declassified information and its apparent that there was a coverup for many, many years.
The Chilean Govt wanted to be open open about the subject but bowed to US pressure to "stay quiet."

Can't wait for full disclosure...

 

[nlinecomputers]

Yeah right…ROFLMAO.

There’s no aliens. Life might be on other planets. But they’re as stuck in their solar systems as we are in ours. Because speed of light. Relativity. Etc.

Warp Drive is science fiction.

I don’t know what this sudden UFO stuff from the government is about but it’s more about disinformation than a sudden revelation. Else why the big build up? This has been brewing for a year now.

 

[sapphirescales]

Governments are inherently selfish and out for themselves. If aliens existed, how would they possibly benefit from disclosure? Unless the aliens themselves have given them a deadline, I can't think of a single reason.

 

[Sky-Knight]

I do not believe we're alone in this universe, but I also do not believe anyone else has broken the laws of physics enough to enable any sort of visitation.

Anything moving at FTL speeds decelerating inside our solar system would send off a signal flare large enough to possibly fry our atmosphere! We'd notice... it wouldn't be subtle. Any deceleration near enough to our solar system to allow any sort of reasonable insertion would do much the same. Again... energy is not subtle in those quantities.

 

[Metanis]

First off, if your civilization has evolved the technology to get here in the first place then you're not going to crash on some backwater 3rd rate planet like ours.

And if you came here anyway then there's nothing we have that you couldn't have collected much more cheaply in your own solar system.

Unless your zoologists and we're just interesting specimens. Then who cares what the monkeys think about the zookeeper?

 

[Markverhyden]

The way I see it the statistics are overwhelmingly in favor of other life. Somewhere and at some time since the "beginning". For all we know there may be no beginning or end. Time, and our universe, may just roll back into itself somehow.

That being said I think it's rather naive to think that we are being visited by aliens, especially ones that seem to want to stick stuff up our backsides. If they have the technology fly vast distances and arrive undetected they certainly won't need to stick anything in us.

All we have to do is look at our own global history to see what's played out when new territories have been discovered. Hasn't worked very well for Native Americans, Aborigines and other Pacific Islanders.

All that nonsense from scifi, like no need for money, is just that. Nonsensical ideas created by people who excel at creating imaginary scenarios that could in no way could come about given mankind's typical behaviors.

 

[Markverhyden]

but I also do not believe anyone else has broken the laws of physics

No argument but just remember we only have knowledge of an incredibly tiny fraction of the universe. Physicists estimate that dark matter occupies some 85% of the universe. The only thing we know about it is is we know nothing about it.

 

[fincoder]

governments now admitting that (UFO's) now called "UAP's" (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) are in fact real and that they have crashed craft, wreckage and dead aliens

Surely that opening post needs a link to these government admissions?

 

[GTP]

Surely that opening post needs a link to these government admissions?

Just type "UFO Disclosure" into Youtube and knock yourself out

 

[britechguy]

Just type "UFO Disclosure" into Youtube and knock yourself out

I did. It appears to be SSDD or SSDY. There's not anything new to see that I can see. Conjecture, and lots of it, with almost no fresh "hard data" involved.

 

[GTP]

I did. It appears to be SSDD or SSDY. There's not anything new to see that I can see. Conjecture, and lots of it, with almost no fresh "hard data" involved.

Hmm, are you ok Brian? You sound a bit chafed.

Something to get you started..if you have the time to actually watch it..

 

[Computer Bloke]

Be careful what you wish for.

"An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop.”
-- Iain M. Banks, Excession.

 

[DRPCNZ]

I went through all the Operation Bluebook stuff when the US Military released that. Made for interesting reading

 

[GTP]

Because speed of light. Relativity. Etc.

Never heard of "worm holes?" Gravitational bending of "spacetime?" The time dilation effect? The "Alcubierre drive?"...
Stuff theorised by Albert Einstein in his "Special Theory of Relativity"...and others most of which is proven science.

The Universe is so vast that any alien race with technology thousands, millions or even billions of years more advanced than ours would be able to do things beyond our comprehension.

 

[GTP]

Be careful what you wish for.

"An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations encountered just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop.”
-- Iain M. Banks, Excession.

"Either we are alone in the Universe..or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." -- Arthur C. Clarke

 

[GTP]

remember we only have knowledge of an incredibly tiny fraction of the universe. Physicists estimate that dark matter occupies some 85% of the universe. The only thing we know about it is is we know nothing about it.

...indeed. Our understanding of that "tiny fraction" is itself tiny.

 

[phaZed]

Something is out there. I think it has visited us in some capacity. One thing about our "physics" that we know for sure, is that we actually know very little. I have had my own experiences - twice. Once near Holyoke Colorado and once in the plains of Southern Texas. Objects that "flew" together at speeds and change-in-direction maneuvers that were simply unbelievable. My POV was watching them from 10's or even 100's of miles away (not close) - but to see it zip by and change directions in a very deliberate but chaotic and instant way... I'm not saying it's aliens, but I sure as hell know what it wasn't - some earth-bound tech I had ever seen. I think it is responsible to say something is happening that is not from "here".

Never heard of "worm holes?" Gravitational bending of "spacetime?" The time dilation effect? The "Alcubierre drive?"...
Stuff theorised by Albert Einstein in his "Special Theory of Relativity"...and others most of which is proven science.

I agree with you @GTP - even with our limited knowledge, we seem to be on an extreme acceleration in technology and material sciences - just in the last 10-20 years. All kinds of amazing things have borne themselves as mind-bending truths. Just the other day scientist created a substantial amount of mass from nothing. The warping of space time - all seems to be self-evident at this point. The Alcubierre drive being a primitive but logical "attempt" at exploiting such things.

 

[GTP]

I have had my own experiences - twice.

I posted my experiences of seeing "something" on this very forum some time ago. Unfortunately I cant search it as the search is broken at the moment.
My observations were corroborated by a client the following day after she noticed the "I want to believe" poster that hangs in my office. It prompted her to describe the same thing I saw the previous day.

The Universe has had 13.8 billion years to foster life elsewhere as it has on this "Pale Blue Dot."
Our civilization has existed for about 2 million years. That's like 2 minutes in a universal evolutionary timescale.
The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, so how are we to know if we have or haven't been visited in the past?

Astrophysicists estimate there are around 3 trillion trillion trillion galaxies in the current "observable universe" each containing anywhere from 1 billion to many thousands of billions of stars. A very large number of those stars are similar in size and age as our own Sun. Many of those suns have orbiting planets in the "Goldilocks zone" (4000 discovered so far), meaning they are in the right place to develope life of some sort.

There is an enormous amount of evidence to suggest we have been visited in the past, from cave paintings to rock carvings, references in books and ancient texts (includeing the Bible) etc.
It just requires some "pull your head out of your arse" thinking to be applied.

Just as there are many reasons for governments to cover up evidence to gain some power over other governments by reverse engineering alien technology there are also "shadow governments" and powerful private shadow corporations that stand to make a lot of money from reverse engineering alien technology.

What do you think happens at places like Area 51, Pine Gap, Exmouth, Uralla (pronounced "youralla")
Round Mountain and other super secret shoot on site military installations. Are they perfecting ways of making coffee? Making biscuits? Reverse engineering alien tech?

I actually tried to go into Round Mountain but was stopped even before I got half way down the 2 km road in to the place by 4 guards that told me to "turn around or else!"
I was escorted out and told that if I came back I would be arrested.
I tried to go there after befriending some of the guys that worked there, in my role as a service station attendant in my late teens. I asked them "what do you guys do out there?" Only one was prepared to answer. The answer I got from the guy was simply "some weird ****!" the others simply said "we cant tell you."


I personally know some people who tried to enter an "off limits" area at an open day at the Uralla installation when it first opened. They had a BBQ and information day to try to quell local residents concerns that they had nuclear weapons or whatever stored there. They were met with several armed guards that were not in any mood to tolerate them and were promptly escorted from the area.

It was interesting to note that no one was allowed to go any further than the (fenced off and armed guard patrolled) courtyard.

 

[timeshifter]

I think it's a bit arrogant that we as a species think we know everything there is to know, and that there's no way any of these other things could be true because they don't fit our laws. We've only been awake from a knowledge and a technology standpoint for about 100 years at this point - or about 0.5% of our existence as humans.

 

[GTP]

I think it's a bit arrogant that we as a species think we know everything there is to know, and that there's no way any of these other things could be true because they don't fit are laws. We've only been awake from a knowledge and a technology standpoint for about 100 years at this point - or about 0.5% of our existence as humans.

Agreed. Our "laws of physics" are based on what we know and understand "now".
What would Sir Isaac Newton think of our modern physics?
Just because we can apply some physical thinking to a situation doesnt mean there are not possibly thousands of other interpretations of that physics.
Today's physics is at a loss to explain "dark matter," or what happens inside Quasars, black holes and many other "mysteries" in the universe.