Disclosure imminent apparently...

[frase]

There maybe technologies that are fundamentally we as humans are unaware of in our present stature in our universe. There is the theory of The Kardeshev scale. I think once we harness Nuclear Fusion it will be a turning point in Humanity.

My poster on my wall..

 

[GTP]

"I dont want to believe, I want to know!" -- Carl Sagan

It appears there are many variants of the poster above, but which one is the actual poster from Fox Mulders office?

I have a different one to yours.
Sorry about the quality but there is a monitor in front of it.

 

[frase]

I believe this should be more open, we are not crazy to believe. One is crazy not to, and comprehend; considering the expanse of our simple little universe. As we continue and comprehend it, in itself our own small mind.

 

[nlinecomputers]

Never heard of "worm holes?" Gravitational bending of "spacetime?" The time dilation effect? The "Alcubierre drive?"...
Stuff theorised by Albert Einstein in his "Special Theory of Relativity"...and others most of which is proven science.

The Universe is so vast that any alien race with technology thousands, millions or even billions of years more advanced than ours would be able to do things beyond our comprehension.

And it’s not possible because there’s no way to provide the energy or mass required to create the wormholes, bend space, or run that Alcubierre drive. It’s not a technology limit. It’s a physical limit just like the speed of light. You can’t build a spaceship the size of Jupiter.

 

[frase]

And it’s not possible because there’s no way to provide the energy or mass required to create the wormholes, bend space, or run that Alcubierre drive. It’s not a technology limit. It’s a physical limit just like the speed of light. You can’t build a spaceship the size of Jupiter.

That is where our tech lacks we cannot harness such energy.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

I'm of the mindset that the universe is sooooo vast, there just has to be other "life" out there. I'm sure there are planets with primitive life, advanced life, and all stages in between.

As for our grasping technology, I feel we're only approaching "travel" and "visiting other universes" ...using what technology, science, and laws of physics as we understand it. Other life forms, if more advanced than us, likely have discovered/revealed their own science, and laws of physics we have not scratched the surface of yet.

 

[britechguy]

I feel we're only approaching "travel" and "visiting other universes" ...using what technology, science, and laws of physics as we understand it. Other life forms, if more advanced than us, likely have discovered/revealed their own science, and laws of physics we have not scratched the surface of yet.

I don't think it's the "as yet unscratched" laws of physics that will unleash some advanced technology of the sort that allows travel across the universe, instantly. The fundamental laws of physics are quite well known, and just those dictate some pretty hard limits on what's possible as the universe is configured now.

I have little doubt that there exists tons of life across the universe. I also have little doubt that none of it will ever encounter us and vice versa, and for reasons we can already explain.

 

[YeOldeStonecat]

Options will vary, and that's OK. Einsteins theory of relativity was only about 120 years ago..as far as history of science here on our humble planet Earth. Since then, science had made great strides. The speed of light"...is how current mankind thinks. And we think it has a limit..cannot go faster than the speed of light. Some people think it is possible. Lots of debates about that.

But going back to Einstein, he also proposed "wormholes"...where "time and space are bent". It's one of those things that...is just difficult to grasp. Yet, our science seems to embrace it.

I'm always fascinated by concepts drawn up by super intelligent physicists/cosmology people such as Einstein, Sagan, Hawking, Hirata, etc.

I find it interesting to raise questions such as.....did we (humans)..benefit from alien tech, reverse engineer it, resulting in some products in recent decades that may have not been possible by the organic natural progression of human tech/evolution.

Sometimes fun to entertain the idea.

 

[Sky-Knight]

That's not how physics works... That's not how science works...

It's exceedingly rare that someone comes along and smacks us with something that rewrites all of our perceptions. Einstein's Theory of Relativity didn't do that, and it's the source of the modern age in many ways.

That Theory is leveraged by the ignorant because they fail to understand it. And it tells us how space works... and it's what tells us that there is no intelligent life that's visited us. Any artificial object moving through space time at those speeds would have created effects we would have seen and felt.

Besides, Earth is relatively rare. If another species values the resources of this rock because they can make effective use of it? Their introduction to our planet would be as the aliens in Independence Day. Except, we'd not have a chance. They'd simply take our rock from us, and we'd be an unknown blip on history. They aren't just going to make the trip over here without reason.

And before that happened they'd have converted their entire solar system into a Dyson's sphere or at least a Halo before they got the tech to leave the system. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale) Why? Because that's how much energy it takes. The earlier video... is a bit off in explaining this. But the scale is real enough.

So if you want to know where the Aliens that might have visited us live? You need to find a star that sort of fades into darkness... or if that's already happened and the light showing that process has passed us by... you're literally looking for an odd hole in the void. Because they've covered up their own sun.

 

[phaZed]

Einstein's theories did literally change our perceptions and understanding. What?

@Sky-Knight You take a very "conventional" look at this, "The ship would need to travel" - "the effects we would have seen and felt"

A ship only "travels" in the way you limit your thinking - point a to point b and everywhere in between. What if the ship blink out of existence, and back in a place it determines? What if it skips the space in between? It would potentially not require that much energy since "distance" would not need to be traversed.

Besides, Earth is relatively rare.

Scientists disagree. The Rare Earth Hypothesis is becoming increasingly less likely when considering we have barely scratched the surface in "finding" said planets. The Rare Earth Hypothesis was very limited in it's ability at the time it was proposed.

"Scientists have found over 4,000 exoplanets since the first such world was confirmed orbiting a sunlike star in 1995, according to NASA's Exoplanet Exploration page(opens in new tab). More than half of these discoveries were made by NASA's Kepler space telescope, which launched in 2009 on a mission to determine how common Earth-like planets are throughout the Milky Way galaxy."

We only just started. The Rare Earth hypothesis well may be true, but it's based on basically zero evidence... we now have evidence of which seems to now be contrary. (At least in the face of many planets being found "everywhere we look", and in goldilocks zones.)

converted their entire solar system into a Dyson's sphere or at least a Halo before they got the tech to leave the system. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale) Why? Because that's how much energy it takes.

The 1964 hypothesis is pretty old at this point. It's an interesting theory, but assumes that Aliens have similar technology to us that require "fuel" and energy to travel in conventional ways. It take nothing about quantum mechanics or string theory - or any of the really interesting ideas that we've come to find useful and fully contrary to traditional thought, in the past 50 years.

It's as simpleton a view, IMO, as is thinking the craters and rivers of mars were actually irrigation canals for crops and roads for travel.


The one thing we do know is that everything we though we knew about the universe has been entirely wrong.

 

[Sky-Knight]

@phaZed Math is the language of the universe, other species are not going to see reality any different than we do. What you're assuming is each species sees a different reality.

When in fact we all exist in the same reality, and must know it identically on a math level. All that changes is the focal point of investigation.

The rest, is you blatantly misunderstanding me, I assume on purpose to try to make me look stupid. The inverse is what's happening here.

Nothing can "blink out of existence" and back into it. And if it DID, the displacement of matter in the point of entry would be a fusion event. Even space has matter in it, and fusing with that material, or rapidly displacing it creates a quite visible energy discharge.

Earth IS rare, but the universe is big... which means even rare things are common depending on perspective. How many solar systems have we discovered that do not have an Earth like planet? Vs the ones that do? It's presumed that M Class Planets are EXTREMELY valuable commodities.

The only saving grace we have is a stage III civilization could probably just make new ones on demand, and not bother with taking ours from us. That is, until they needed us out of the way for a new freeway. The point is, if they ever showed up there's nothing we can do about it... We may as well be ants in comparison.

 

[timeshifter]

The point is, if they ever showed up there's nothing we can do about it... We may as well be ants in comparison.

You say that like it's assumed that if they did show up it would be to conquer us. Isn't it also possible that they will (or have) show up and are protecting us from ourselves? In the same way that a parent watching a kid play in the yard while keeping them from running into the street.

 

[phaZed]

I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid - the answer is "we don't know".

Math is the language of the universe

And we haven't figured it out yet.

Physicists Rewrite a Quantum Rule That Clashes With Our Universe

The past and the future are tightly linked in conventional quantum mechanics. Perhaps too tightly. A tweak to the theory could let quantum possibilities increase as space expands.

www.quantamagazine.org

Nothing can "blink out of existence" and back into it.

And yet, that's exactly what scientists just did - and there was no matter displacement event as you claim "must happen"

Scientists create matter from nothing in groundbreaking experiment

Scientists have managed to create matter out of nothing, a quantum physics feat previously thought impossible.

bgr.com

Earth IS rare, but the universe is big... which means even rare things are common depending on perspective.

One 2020 study that analysed Kepler data calculated that the Milky Way could harbour as many as six billion Earth-like planets, while another estimated the number of potentially habitable planets in our galaxy at about 300 million

In the perspective of "life" - it's not rare. Rare by the numbers, maybe, but not rare to the point of making contact unlikely.

 

[GTP]

no way to provide the energy or mass required to create the wormholes, bend space, or run that Alcubierre drive.

And yet there is.
Take for instance TON 618. A 66 billion solar mass supermassive black hole in the fabric of space whose gravity is so strong it bends and distorts the fabric of space and slows time for hundreds of thousands of light years in every direction.

Neutron Stars?

Or Quasars? The output energy of a typical quasar, which has at it's heart a supermassive black hole, is beyond our comprehension and stretches our present physical laws to beyond our understanding.

Finding energy sources in a universe filled with energy isn't a difficult job. Harnessing that energy on the other hand is presently beyond human laws of physics.

What "human physics" can explain what happens inside a black hole?
What physics proves where matter goes after being pulled into these massive structures?

We've been on this 4.5 billion year old speck of dust orbiting a spark for around 2 million years.

Compared to what may be "out there" we are but frogs waiting for flies...

 

[Sky-Knight]

@phaZed Everything in Quantum Physics has a reproduction problem, and I'm sure what you've linked here is going to be found to be a sensor error or something equally silly. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, and situations where that's not been the case have ALWAYS been dis-proven up until now.

 

[nlinecomputers]

And yet there is.
Take for instance TON 618. A 66 billion solar mass supermassive black hole in the fabric of space whose gravity is so strong it bends and distorts the fabric of space and slows time for hundreds of thousands of light years in every direction.

Neutron Stars?

Or Quasars? The output energy of a typical quasar, which has at it's heart a supermassive black hole, is beyond our comprehension and stretches our present physical laws to beyond our understanding.

Finding energy sources in a universe filled with energy isn't a difficult job. Harnessing that energy on the other hand is presently beyond human laws of physics.

What "human physics" can explain what happens inside a black hole?
What physics proves where matter goes after being pulled into these massive structures?

We've been on this 4.5 billion year old speck of dust orbiting a spark for around 2 million years.

Compared to what may be "out there" we are but frogs waiting for flies...

So what? None of those items can be utilized. Our sun, and every star, creates fusion by its sheer mass. We are not going to be able to do that either. The fact that nature can produce high energies via gigantic mass doesn’t mean effective tools can be created from that kind of energy sources.

 

[Sky-Knight]

So what? None of those items can be utilized. Our sun, and every star, creates fusion by its sheer mass. We are not going to be able to do that either. The fact that nature can produce high energies via gigantic mass doesn’t mean effective tools can be created from that kind of energy sources.

Unless we can figure out how to artificially manipulate mass.

If that becomes possible, all sorts of magic becomes possible.

 

[GTP]

The fact that nature can produce high energies via gigantic mass doesn’t mean effective tools can be created from that kind of energy sources.

We dont have to create anything. It's already done waiting to be utilized once our knowledge and understanding of the physics involved catches up.

 

[frase]

Black holed sun

@nlinecomputers that is where Nuclear Fusion plays a factor. There are many dynamics in that which have yet to harness that type of energy at present and wont be for years to come.

 

[frase]

Always fascinated me science, that is why I am in the career I am as always curious. Sure opinions differ though that is what makes life interesting.