Dell Recovery media rant

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Yesterday I was in the position, to contact Dell Support, as I required recovery media on a Dell Inspiron machine. Basically the hard drive is fried, hence no recovery partition available.

It was XP Media Center recovery which I required.

So, I ring Dell support, give them the service tag details as usual, now because I was unable to give them the ORIGINAL owners details, they refused to sell the recovery media!.

I mentioned, that my client purchased this machine from a company, who in turn got it from who knows who. Answer, sorry sir, our policies are that unless you can answer some of the questions pertaining to the original owner, there is nothing we can do. Due to the data protection act.

Now what are we as techs supposed to do here?

Contact our client, to find out which company they bought the machine from.
Then contact the said company, in the hope that they have the details on hand of their purchaser, then attempt to contact their client (never mind them breaking the data protection act).

That's if, the said company is still in business. If they have closed, then that line of enquiry is closed too.

If I received a call similar to the above, I know for sure I would not release such information about one of my clients, as I would break the DPA.

Or, what if said client, purchased the machine off a friend, who got it off a friend, who got it from their neighbour, so its 5th hand so to speak.

Dell's guidelines to me drastically need changing. I asked to speak with a supervisor / manager. I was refused this request, because again I could not confirm the original owners details.

All other manufacturers, irrespective of who they are, it's a case of fill in a form, enter a few details, ie serial number, coa etc, pay your fee, and await delivery of the discs.

Why are Dell like this?. I know we can get recovery media elsewhere, but if as we are supposed to do, and follow Microsoft's guidelines pertaining to recovery media, and all doors are slammed in your face, it really does make you think is it worthwhile.

Microsoft's customer care line, claim nothing to do with them, because it's a OEM, you have to speak to the manufacturer. If the manufacturer will not supply the discs, then you have to purchase Windows 7.

Add this to the cost of the initial repair, in this instance hard drive, labour, and windows installation, and your talking of over £225!

Rant off.

I have posted this here, as it is indexed by Google, in the vain hope that a Dell manager, or some one higher up their chain reads this, and does change their draconian policy.
 
It really is Martyn. We are doing what Microsoft tell us we must do, thereby abiding by their rules, and then the likes of Dell, come up with this.

I really cannot see a reason as to why they claim they need the original owners details. I mean, what if the original owner did not register the machine? What would happen in that instance?.

I've ordered some Acer discs, and had them the following day.

I think I may blog about this too. As my site gets around 800 visits a week, a lot to the blogs, this may generate some interest also.
 
Did you try the request page on their site?
https://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dellcare/en/backupcd_form

Whenever we order Dell systems for clients, I always check the option to get the restore media (3 bucks)...it's worth it. But as in your case...someone from the street comes in and either lost them or never had them....yeah it's a sticky situation.

FYI, as we come across factory reinstall media...burn copies for yourself for future use. Those Dell restore CDs are fairly universal for product families with the SLP way they pickup the install key burned into the BIOS of the system.
 
Did you try the request page on their site?
https://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/dellcare/en/backupcd_form

Whenever we order Dell systems for clients, I always check the option to get the restore media (3 bucks)...it's worth it. But as in your case...someone from the street comes in and either lost them or never had them....yeah it's a sticky situation.

FYI, as we come across factory reinstall media...burn copies for yourself for future use. Those Dell restore CDs are fairly universal for product families with the SLP way they pickup the install key burned into the BIOS of the system.

Yes that's what I do. XP Media Center discs don't come up very often.
 
This does suck, but before you think there is no hope, let me ask you a few questions.

Is the product key still good? Is the key readable?
What specifically is wrong with the hard drive? Is it still readable or clonable?
 
Those Dell restore CDs are fairly universal for product families with the SLP way they pickup the install key burned into the BIOS of the system.


That's not exactly how it works.... I mean, there is no "install key" burned into the bios. Rather, it's just manufacturer information compared against the provided activation files on the Dell OEM discs. You can make nearly any system into a "Dell" or "HP" by changing the motherboard's DMI information... Simply change a few manufacturer tags and the Dell or HP discs will install, activate and never ask for a key. Not that I'm advocating this, mind you.

Maybe that's just semantics, though.



There are a lot of grey area things that a tech can do to install Windows, as long as the key is readable. XP Media Center discs are by far the most problematic, though. In your case, I'd just source the discs elsewhere and keep a copy for the future
 
I normally make a copy of recovery media also, and have a extensive library available, if required.

However as Martyn mentioned XP MCE very rarely crops up these days.

@PCX The product key is still good, and fully readable.
Problem with the drive is as follows

Pc turns on, you hear 4-5 large clicks, obviously coming from the hard drive. Client has told me that after approx 15-20 restarts, the pc will boot up normally, with no clicking sounds.

Slaved the drive to the docking station, clicks appear, after a few power up's and down's, the drive is recognised within windows.

Attempts at cloning the drive have failed. I have tried acronis, easus, ghost.

Tested the drive with Crystal disk - Shows Good.
Tested with Seagate tools, long generic test - Passed.
Tested with HDD Tune - full scan - No bad sectors.

If I thought a change of logic board would help, I would go this route, but it sounds more mechanical than simply not being found.

The drive itself is 'good' per se, as the tests above show,but with the obvious clicking, I am not happy letting it go back into my clients pc, as it does sound terminal.

The only thing I have not yet attempted is to load a live cd, and see if I can clone the drive that way.

I can load mce using the 9-1 cd, and the coa, but it will not activate. (Previous thread posted couple of years back about this), MS would not activate the coa, due to not having the "X" number on the original cd. Ended up having to go the vista route, as my client at the time didnt like w7.

I can order the discs from Restorediscs, they like all the other manufacturers do not require to know everything about the original owner.

That is what my rant is about. Dell's complete lack of client care for one reason or another.
 
Yeah, most cloning tools are worthless when it comes to failing hard drives. ddrescue on the other hand works great. Its a linux tool that we use all the time.

As for the recovery disk, I will pm you a link.
 
Guys, please remember this is a Open Forum. We all know there are other ways of doing things, but this thread is not the one to say such things.

As legitimate technicians and business owners, we have to abide by Microsoft's Rulings, and if they say we need recovery media, then we need recovery media :D

This thread is about Dell's lack of client care, and how their policies are draconian to say the least. How they are the only manufacturer to require the original owners details, before you can speak with a manager / supervisor, to put your case forward. :eek:
 
what about restoredisks.com should be able to get the restore media from them.
 
Guys, please remember this is a Open Forum. We all know there are other ways of doing things, but this thread is not the one to say such things.

As legitimate technicians and business owners, we have to abide by Microsoft's Rulings, and if they say we need recovery media, then we need recovery media :D

This thread is about Dell's lack of client care, and how their policies are draconian to say the least. How they are the only manufacturer to require the original owners details, before you can speak with a manager / supervisor, to put your case forward. :eek:

Well, you can avoid this headache . . . I RARELY ever have to go the manufacture for recovery disks . . . in fact, I RARELY have to use recovery disks or partitions at all.
 
That's not exactly how it works.... I mean, there is no "install key" burned into the bios. Rather, it's just manufacturer information compared against the provided activation files on the Dell OEM discs.

Right..technically it's not a full Windows installation serial key..but yes I should have used different words..it's just some info on the BIOS of Dells and HPs and other vendors that use SLP installs. But in the industry we tend to call it (albiet incorrectly) install key.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Locked_Preinstallation
 
Well, you can avoid this headache . . . I RARELY ever have to go the manufacture for recovery disks . . . in fact, I RARELY have to use recovery disks or partitions at all.

Point taken, but we do have to use recovery media, to abide by Microsoft's licensing laws. We cannot according to MS, use our own media, and our clients COA.

This has been discussed numerous times on TN.
 
What are the chances of just cloning the Recovery Partition rather than the whole drive? I've done that a few times and then marked it as active to get it to boot from it.
 
You may want to try cloning something that ignores the file system. I typically use Roadkil's Raw Copy, but others may say DD is better (and maybe it is..).
But Easus, Ghost and Acronis all look at the filesystem and its health, where something like Raw Copy will just copy bit for bit regardless of what you're cloning.
 
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