Black ink bleeding on NCR paper

[Pants]

Just got some two-part NCR paper for my work-orders, invoices, and anything else I need two parts for. I'm using new (refurbished) ink for HP Officejet 6500.

The black ink bleeds outward on the NCR paper after it comes out of the printer. As a work-around, I switched over to lighter text...ie Grey 7 in OpenOffice, instead of jet black. Printing with the grey 7 works well...It's just the black that seems to bleed out (on the paper).

On regular paper (not NCR) the black ink looks fine.

Does anyone else have this experience with NCR paper? Maybe I just got a bad brand. It was only $20 off eBay for 250 sets.

 

[oldtech]

When you say two-part do you mean multi-copy? If so I thought that was only for use in dot matrix printers.....

 

[Pants]

This paper is not intended for dot matrix printers. For one, there are no holes on the sides for one of those printers to move it through the printer. I've used this type of paper many times before. I've had two-part (multi copy) forms printed out at Fedex Office with the same type of paper I am using now.

 

[E Bell]

That's a problem with some remanufactured ink cartridges...you may have gotten a bad one that is releasing more ink that needed. Why can't you just print two copies on regular paper?

 

[mraikes]

I've been using NCR for a few years. This stuff: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FD9XGO/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I've never had that problem across several different printers (including by coincidence an HP 6500). Probably not the paper.

 

[E Bell]

I wasn't blaming the paper. I mentioned using regular paper as a way to finish the toner cartridge you have as it may be the problem. First thing I would try is a different toner cartridge. Wouldn't be the first time I had to send back a reman cartridge for failure.

 

[Pants]

If the cartridge is even the problem, it's still a bad seller, I think. All three color cartridges (I've now realized) are virtually empty. This is only the second time I've ordered re manufactured cartridges. The first time, it was the same thing; I ordered two sets of ink for about $20. In one set, the black was full, and the 3 colored almost empty... In the second set, the black was totally empty, and the three colored cartridges also totally empty.

With both sellers, the ratings seem to have more good reviews than bad, so I took a chance. This is the last time I'll ever buy refurbished cartridges.. It's just not worth the hassle.

I requested a refund...and had to drive all the way into town to buy a set of colored...At least the black cartridge works to some degree.

 

[HFultzjr]

I've had mixed results with re-manufactured cartridges.....mostly bad.

Having come from a Printing background and using way more than my fair share of carbonless paper:

They have "coatings" CF, CFB, CB, etc. on them and do require an ink that dries "a little quicker".

Sounds like your ink is the issue with the carbonless paper, as I have used various brands with original HP cartridges, with virtually no issues.

Just handle carefully for the first few seconds to let the ink set. As for the bleeding, not much you can do about that, unless you want to hold a "hair dryer" on them as they come out.

In a nutshell....switch inks.

 

[HCHTech]

Ok, I'll bite. How in the heck are you getting 2 copies using NCR paper and an Officejet 6500? That's an inkjet - nothing strikes the paper, so no multiple copies. I don't get it.

 

[mraikes]

Ok, I'll bite. How in the heck are you getting 2 copies using NCR paper and an Officejet 6500? That's an inkjet - nothing strikes the paper, so no multiple copies. I don't get it.

The white & yellow pages are collated, so I print two copies of my work order/repair form giving me one of each. The form includes blocks for additional handwritten notes (such as a description of equipment being picked up) and signature/date blocks. The tech (me) hand writes the details not known before the appointment and the customer signs. All that handwriting passes through from the top (white) to the bottom (yellow) copy - which the customer gets to keep.

It saves time on the doorstep, works quite well and I get full color printing on both copies. Looks nicely professional to the client for only a modest investment.

 

[HCHTech]

Ahh, you're using NCR paper without using the NCR feature. Makes sense now. I think.

 

[phaZed]

Not to sound like a ding dong here.. but why not save yourself some frustration and a ton of money by getting a Laser printer? Forget about ink carts for business. Way too expensive and a pain.

 

[mraikes]

Ahh, you're using NCR paper without using the NCR feature. Makes sense now. I think.

???

NCR means "No Carbon Required", so yes - I'm using the NCR feature every time I apply a pen to the top copy and what I write is duplicated to the bottom.

Before NCR I still printed two copies but used actual carbon paper between them. This is a vast improvement even if at additional cost.

 

[mraikes]

Not to sound like a ding dong here.. but why not save yourself some frustration and a ton of money by getting a Laser printer? Forget about ink carts for business. Way too expensive and a pain.

I guess this would be more intended for the OP, since he's experiencing some frustration. But It's not frustrating nor painful for me, nor is it a ton of money compared to how long it would take to get a return on investment doing the same thing on a color laser printer. If I had a high-volume storefront I might think otherwise, but that's not me. And I'd still need NCR paper either way.

 

[nlinecomputers]

???

NCR means "No Carbon Required", so yes - I'm using the NCR feature every time I apply a pen to the top copy and what I write is duplicated to the bottom.

Before NCR I still printed two copies but used actual carbon paper between them. This is a vast improvement even if at additional cost.

I think he was assuming that the NCR aspect was being used AS the item was printed. Like old dot matrix printers would do this. @mraikes they are printing their forms one page at a time(white,yellow,pink) using the colated sheets of paper then assembling them into a form pad that they can take to the jobsite.

 

[phaZed]

I guess this would be more intended for the OP, since he's experiencing some frustration. But It's not frustrating nor painful for me, nor is it a ton of money compared to how long it would take to get a return on investment doing the same thing on a color laser printer. If I had a high-volume storefront I might think otherwise, but that's not me. And I'd still need NCR paper either way.

Yes, it was intended for the OP more or less, but also for everyone too. My laser has paid for itself a few times over now and most of my printing is from drop off claim tickets and receipts. I probably go through 600-800 pages a month if not more.

The HP Officejet 6500 is slated for 500-1200 pages depending on the size of the cartridge you purchase.. Now my $150 (On Sale at the time) OKI color laser prints 20,000 pages black using a refilled drum cartridge for less than $50. No runny ink either.

 

[mraikes]

Yes, it was intended for the OP more or less, but also for everyone too. My laser has paid for itself a few times over now and most of my printing is from drop off claim tickets and receipts. I probably go through 600-800 pages a month if not more.

The HP Officejet 6500 is slated for 500-1200 pages depending on the size of the cartridge you purchase.. Now my $150 (On Sale at the time) OKI color laser prints 20,000 pages black using a refilled drum cartridge for less than $50. No runny ink either.

That makes sense. For the forms we're talking about here, I probably print 100 pages per month, split between two printers. Nowhere near your volume so I really don't really feel the financial pain.

 

[HFultzjr]

Ahh, you're using NCR paper without using the NCR feature. Makes sense now. I think.

2 "copies" are copied.....white/canary (make sure you do it on the correct side (CF vs. CB)
CB-coated back is the un-copied side of the 1st sheet in the set
CF-coated front is the copied side of the 2nd sheet in the set.
Then when put together, the CB contacts the CF and when you "press" on it by writing, the 2 encapsulations break, (CF meets CB, )and combine to make the "Image".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonless_copy_paper

 

[HCHTech]

Yeah, I got it, thanks. I didn't realize that you were essentially creating your own copy that would then be manually collated so that folks could write on it. Normally, I would have that stuff printed - never thought of getting the raw stock and creating it myself.