Wow, this crap has to stop!

Sexism is still so deeply ingrained into our culture that most people don't even recognise it for what it is.

I always have been pretty curious about why the tech industry is so male-dominated, since it is a relatively new industry. Is it because tech is considered 'geeky' and is there there more pressure on girls/women not to be 'geeky'? Or what else is at play here?
 
Sexism is still so deeply ingrained into our culture that most people don't even recognise it for what it is.

I always have been pretty curious about why the tech industry is so male-dominated, since it is a relatively new industry. Is it because tech is considered 'geeky' and is there there more pressure on girls/women not to be 'geeky'? Or what else is at play here?
I think you hit it right there. Growing up, it's harder for a girl to be accepted as the nerd than guys. "Too smart". I do not believe the industry is to blame, because I see the industry doing nothing to discourage females to join. In fact, for over a decade, I have seen the industry do all they can to encourage females to join the industry, and as far as I can tell, the numbers haven't really changed.
 
I think you hit it right there. Growing up, it's harder for a girl to be accepted as the nerd than guys. "Too smart". I do not believe the industry is to blame, because I see the industry doing nothing to discourage females to join. In fact, for over a decade, I have seen the industry do all they can to encourage females to join the industry, and as far as I can tell, the numbers haven't really changed.

I hope to start a CoderDojo in my town, and I can't really picture parents encouraging their girls to join, but I'm not sure how I should be promoting it so they are encouraged to join.
 
There was some news story about a guy who was accidentally sending emails with the signature of his female co-worker. As soon as it happened he saw people questioning his advice, disregarding things he said they should do, and being rude about it when he would insist. When he fixed the signature issue the guy completely changed his tone.

It's a **** experiment with no real evidence and I probably wouldn't believe it based on that scenario, but I've seen it first hand.

My sister used to work the the same computer repair shop I did, and I saw people arguing with her over asinine stuff that the guys never had to argue about. The clearest evidence of it in my opinion is how usually when someone called or came in, probably 30% of the time they would start by saying "hi, can I speak to a technician?" It was men and women who did this. I think once in 5 years was I asked that question and it was over the phone, not in person. Yet several times a week she was asked that and had to explain that she was a tech and could indeed help them.

Every now and then if she ran into a real stubborn dude who refused to believe anything she said and would tell her she didn't know what she was talking about, she would hand off to a much more inexperienced male co-worker (who I basically considered useless since he hardly knew anything and had no interest in learning about tech). Then the new tech would say some real dumb stuff, sometimes outright lies (since he didn't want to look stupid) and the customer would eat it up and be very thankful for the "help".

I could see the frustration develop over the years in my sister, and I'd feel really bad for her. Eventually she quit, telling me in private that this was one of the reasons. Now she works with animals...
 
My sister used to work the the same computer repair shop I did, and I saw people arguing with her over asinine stuff that the guys never had to argue about. The clearest evidence of it in my opinion is how usually when someone called or came in, probably 30% of the time they would start by saying "hi, can I speak to a technician?"
This really makes me angry! I feel ashamed sometimes to be a "male" when women are just dismissed as either useless or don't know what they're talking about! It all boils down to "respect!"
It wasn't that long ago that women were just treated like "kitchen appliances" and told that being a [insert appropriate description here] to some man was a good thing!
This Man vs Woman bs is ridiculous and has no place in today's society!
I for one am very grateful for the many roles that women play a part in in our society.
I feel more comfortable talking to a female Doctor than any male Dr!

Btw: IMO, the people involved in that recent event involving Anita Sarkeesian and "GamerGate" who was - and still is - being relentlessly persecuted and threatened with rape, murder, bomb threats to her public talks etc. should be hunted down and shot, with their pants down around their knees in humiliation!
I'd better stop now or my blood will really boil!
Now she works with animals...
...and I wish her all the very best! I admire anyone who takes care of animals and I bet she is much happier doing it!
 
There was some news story about a guy who was accidentally sending emails with the signature of his female co-worker. As soon as it happened he saw people questioning his advice, disregarding things he said they should do, and being rude about it when he would insist. When he fixed the signature issue the guy completely changed his tone.

It's a **** experiment with no real evidence and I probably wouldn't believe it based on that scenario, but I've seen it first hand.

My sister used to work the the same computer repair shop I did, and I saw people arguing with her over asinine stuff that the guys never had to argue about. The clearest evidence of it in my opinion is how usually when someone called or came in, probably 30% of the time they would start by saying "hi, can I speak to a technician?" It was men and women who did this. I think once in 5 years was I asked that question and it was over the phone, not in person. Yet several times a week she was asked that and had to explain that she was a tech and could indeed help them.

Every now and then if she ran into a real stubborn dude who refused to believe anything she said and would tell her she didn't know what she was talking about, she would hand off to a much more inexperienced male co-worker (who I basically considered useless since he hardly knew anything and had no interest in learning about tech). Then the new tech would say some real dumb stuff, sometimes outright lies (since he didn't want to look stupid) and the customer would eat it up and be very thankful for the "help".

I could see the frustration develop over the years in my sister, and I'd feel really bad for her. Eventually she quit, telling me in private that this was one of the reasons. Now she works with animals...

I just hired a new tech that has this exact problem. It's pretty discouraging for her, and I don't really have a good solution.
 
If you follow mbti theory http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/thinking-or-feeling.htm

24.5% of females are thinking type and 75.5% are feeling type.

Edit: thats not to say feeling types can't be in IT because they certainly can be its just less likely.

The Myers-Briggs is not a reliable test of personality. The ONLY personality tests, that I'm aware of, that carry a decent amount of evidence are the MMPIs. No clinical psychologist would ever us the MBTI, it's simply not up to a clinical standard.
 
The Myers-Briggs is not a reliable test of personality. The ONLY personality tests, that I'm aware of, that carry a decent amount of evidence are the MMPIs. No clinical psychologist would ever us the MBTI, it's simply not up to a clinical standard.

Those personallity tests are hundreds of questions long, in comparison no mbti wouldnt be any where near as accurate...well even with hundreds of questions i wouldnt say its all that accurate but none the less 3/4 females lean towards feeling over thinking.
 
What I see is this:

What can I do as a male, to make other female's work experience better and to educate my fellow male colleagues?

It starts with everyone.

If you are female, you could also ask yourself:

How can I educate both female and male workers on equality and be a role model?

Basically, it's all about starting change. Even if you only make a difference for a few people, that's a few less people crying at night (done it myself when times were tough, any guy that says he never cried, probably 95% are lying) and that's a good thing. Life has enough things to cry about.
 
I hope to start a CoderDojo in my town, and I can't really picture parents encouraging their girls to join, but I'm not sure how I should be promoting it so they are encouraged to join.

Perhaps check with some of the organizations dedicated to getting women coding or supporting women coding - a quick search turns up things like https://www.womenwhocode.com/, http://www.womenincoding.com/, etc. I don't like the use of "girls" in this, but some folks embrace it such as Django Girls, which is perhaps one of your best places to look if you're open to working with Python. They even address the question in their Organizers' FAQ: Isn't Django Girls sexist? - and that FAQ and their other materials may be very useful to you.
 
Perhaps check with some of the organizations dedicated to getting women coding or supporting women coding - a quick search turns up things like https://www.womenwhocode.com/, http://www.womenincoding.com/, etc. I don't like the use of "girls" in this, but some folks embrace it such as Django Girls, which is perhaps one of your best places to look if you're open to working with Python. They even address the question in their Organizers' FAQ: Isn't Django Girls sexist? - and that FAQ and their other materials may be very useful to you.

I'm not really looking to get into some specifically for girls, it would just feel better if I didn't end up with all boys. I'm sure the CoderDojo community has some suggestions.
 
Those personallity tests are hundreds of questions long, in comparison no mbti wouldnt be any where near as accurate...well even with hundreds of questions i wouldnt say its all that accurate but none the less 3/4 females lean towards feeling over thinking.

Sorry now, but the Myers-Briggs isn't inaccurate because of its number of questions, it's inaccurate because of its design, content and its binary nature. Your agreement with the 74% figure is, therefore, strange considering you seem to agree with this, at least in part.
 
Sorry now, but the Myers-Briggs isn't inaccurate because of its number of questions, it's inaccurate because of its design, content and its binary nature. Your agreement with the 74% figure is, therefore, strange considering you seem to agree with this, at least in part.

If almost 75% of females answered questions that lean on the side of feeling vs thinking it still remains relevant to the discussion. Lets say for example you ask 1000 females if they enjoy doing highly technical or scientific work and 75% said no but then 75% of males then yes which do you think you would expect to see in silicon valley?

When people say MBTI is inaccurate I figure they are pointing to the broadness of the typing. Just because a person is INFJ for example doesn't mean that they arent tech savvy or logical but it is more rare.
 
I disagree. The MBTI was devised by non-scientists based on the Jungian model of the psyche - a model with severe and inherent shortcomings and flaws. Nothing Jung posited was based on empirical evidence, his theory of mind was (and is) based on the previous work of Freud and Adler, among others and all discredited. The MBTI is simply a binary test for 4 values E or I, N or S, F or T, P or J. That's it. It CANNOT explain things like sociopathy, autism, depression or schizophrenia. It's SO unscientific at this juncture to be not much more advanced that phrenology. Furthermore, people with (what Jung et al termed) neuroses while on waiting lists for Jungian (and Freudian) psychoanalysis improved or recovered at exactly the same rate as those who actually received the "treatment". Everything about Jungian psychology and everything derived from it is severely flawed and should not be relied upon to reach any conclusion. The MBTI is one of those things. Jungian things are interesting only in the context of the history of psychology and psychiatry.

Full disclosure: I'm an RPN (Registered Psychiatric Nurse) and have studied and practiced psychotherapy and cognitive behavioural therapy although not for a number of years now. Even when I was training back in the late 80s Jung and his precedents were no longer taken seriously. For anyone who's interested the ONLY therapy with strong positive evidence of efficacy is CBT and it's derivatives - including Family Therapy.
 
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