What happened to our educational system?

They do not teach cursive writing anymore either. Today's young kids look at it like it is a foreign language. Some cannot even sign their name. School board president in my area was defending the decision not to teach it, saying it was no longer necessary, and signed the letter in cursive.
 
They do not teach cursive writing anymore either. Today's young kids look at it like it is a foreign language. Some cannot even sign their name. School board president in my area was defending the decision not to teach it, saying it was no longer necessary, and signed the letter in cursive.

I don't understand not being able to read cursive and be able to at least write all the letters fairly well. We spent probably 3-6 years practicing it as it was the required method of writing all of our papers. Once we had programming as a class (in mid school), we all had to learn to type and from then on I realized that this was more efficient and easier for the teachers to read.

I've seen some people seem to have a real difficult time with writing - meaning forming the letters - in a clear manner whether in normal writing (what's it called) or cursive. It can take a lot of time AND determination AND patience to have it look presentable for some.
 
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There was a court case his year where a witness was asked to read a document and couldn't because it was in cursive!!

That being said, I don't really see The long term issue with cursive going away. Many forms of writing have changed, been reduced to just a few specialist users, and even disappeared altogether. Cursive may end up being one of those.

I do agree, though, that writing by hand is something that everyone should be able to do clearly. In time, though, even that may fall by the wayside. Language (written included) follows the needs and technology of society. No one here is decrying the loss of cuneiform or hieroglyphics.
 
At one of the wealthier districts in our county, attendance--at least at the high school--is basically optional. They don't have funding tied to attendance. It's tied to property values or something like that. (Which was all well and good until the recession hit but that's another matter). In any case, the net effect is kids only showing up when they want to; it has the lowest attendance rate in the county, last time I checked. And believe it or not, the parents absolutely want it this way. I've never really been clear why, other than the suspicion they probably just think their kids are special and should do whatever.
 
It's ridiculous what they are teaching our kids today. I'd be happier if they taught my kids that Communists are heathens (cause it's true...sorry, thats the soldier in me), and that we to invade Britain for reparations for the way they treated during the colonial times to the war of 1812...and the fact they owe us for two world wars. Not ignorance is bliss.


:eek::eek: yup ignorance certainly must be bliss
 
When I was in the 3rd or 4th grade they taught us cursive. I never used it again after that. They wanted everything in print.
 
Originally Posted by frederick

It's ridiculous what they are teaching our kids today. I'd be happier if they taught my kids that Communists are heathens (cause it's true...sorry, thats the soldier in me), and that we to invade Britain for reparations for the way they treated during the colonial times to the war of 1812...and the fact they owe us for two world wars. Not ignorance is bliss.

:eek::eek: yup ignorance certainly must be bliss

I must be ignorant too! ;)

Thanks for proving the point of the thread....fred
 
The educational system, in its entirety, is a complete joke. It's only gotten worse will continue to get worse.


A friend asked me to help his daughter with her math homework as he and his wife had no clue as to what was going on. The topic on hand was exponents and the order of operations. Issue number one was that this girl had major problems with confusing raising an integer to an exponent vs just straight multiple cation. She would answer that two raised to the third power was six instead of eight. She had great difficulty with her multiplication tables all across the board and had a pretty hard time doing even multiplication or division with anything higher then 3.

So we're going over her homework and I'm trying to show her how to get to the answer and have her work through some of them. I start to check over some of what she has already completed and I find that two raised to the fifth was apparently one million or ten million (couldn't quite read it). When I suggested we try that one again she said, "No, that one is correct. [insert teachers name here] and I worked on those questions together". I was amused for a split second and then sickened.

So I asked to see the girls notes from class, and the examples that the teacher gave her. Surprise is that she didn't have any notes, because the teacher didn't give any. Which I later confirmed from another student. When I told her that she needed to get the multiplication tables down, and her division and order of operations, she replied that it was okay because the teacher told them to use the calculator.

The really sad thing here: She is in sixth grade. When I was in sixth grade I was taking pre algebra. I didn't push the issue but I'd be willing to bet she couldn't do fractions either.

The educational system is just a joke. You can't put it any other way. The only reason I learned as well as I did in elementary/high school was that I was a motivated student. Those who weren't didn't learn crap and the teachers did little to nothing to change that.
 
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They preach the sciences and have little to do with arts and music. Its all about math and science at her school. Everything else is secondary, to include.reading and writing.

This is the scariest thing I read in the entire thread. Reading is so foundational to learning almost anything that I can't imagine it not being the most important subject taught.
 
Its an accredited school. They preach the sciences and have little to do with arts and music. Its all about math and science at her school. Everything else is secondary, to include.reading and writing. Everyday they have computer class, and math competitions.
I'm gonna see if I can't her in to her old school, at least there they teach them things like music, art, reading and the likes. Her last school was a good balance.

As much of a math and science person as I am, I really think this is awful. The ability to communicate effectively is, in my opinion, a cornerstone of any successful person. There is no doubt that I am a left brain thinker, but I really do appreciate the arts and I think they have a place in the educational system.
 
There is apparently quite a bit of history that even those with a somewhat more rounded "education" were not taught. I saw the following book mentioned in a similar discussion just recently, and have now taken the time to order a copy of it from Amazon just now. Check out the reviews there for more info and discussion: Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong

from the reviews -->
"This is a real eye-opener to anyone who thinks they learned about U.S. history in high school. Loewen spent eleven years reviewing the 12 most commonly-used U.S. history textbooks and found all to be seriously wanting. Textbook publishers want to avoid controversy (so, apparently, do many school systems), so they feed students a white-washed, non-controversial, over-simplified version of this country's history and its most important historical figures.

To make his point, Loewen emphasizes the "dark side" of U.S. history, because that's the part that's missing from our education system. So, for example, we never learned that Woodrow Wilson ran one of the most racist administrations in history and helped to set back progress in race relations that had begun after the Civil War. Helen Keller's socialist leanings and political views are omitted and we only learn that she overcame blindness and deafness. John Brown is portrayed as a wild-eyed nut who ran amok until he was caught and hung, rather than an eloquent and dedicated abolitionist who uttered many of the same words and thoughts that Lincoln later expressed.

Loewen's book vividly illustrates the maxim that "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Ignorance of our real history also renders us incapable of fully understanding the present and coming to grips with the issues of our time. For example, from the Civil War until around 1890, real racial progress was underway in the United States and civil rights laws were Federally enforced in the South. The military was integrated and former slaves had the right to vote, serve on juries and as witnesses in trials, own property and operate businesses. They also received mandatory public education, which was automatically extended to white children for the first time in the south. But, between 1890 and 1920, the Feds gradually disengaged and allowed southern racist governments to strip these rights from blacks and relegate them to virtual non-citizenship. Only within the last half-century has that policy been gradually reversed, again through Federal intervention. This history casts current racial attitudes and issues in a different light than most of our high school graduates are likely to see unless they are taught the complete history of their country, warts and all."
 
But when you think about it, history books are written by those who control history. There are only a few I can think of give the straight dope.

The non-wealthy are taught to be stupid. School are meant to teach people their place and just the basic information & skills they will need to be successful in that place.

Private schools have better education because those people are meant to be the movers and shakers.

Public schools are meant to produce factory workers and fast food workers, while colleges and universities are meant to produce more skilled workers.

They are just trying to keep the economy functioning properly.
 
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