univesity of phoenix

[jaces]

I was wondering how many of you attend the university of phoenix and if you think it is worth it??
thanks for your input

 

[MasterTech99]

Don't waste your time or money.

Having a degree from a diploma mill like that will only serve to hurt you in the long run. The company that I work for has 8 computers stores, and ISP, an onsite IT service, and in-store tech in each location. That's about 200 employees and I can tell you for a fact that having University of Phoenix, DeVry, or ITT Tech on your resume will get you an automatic pass when you apply. It's been like that at every place that I've ever worked from fortune 500 companies to smaller shops. It all comes down to judgment. If someone wasted their time and money on a school like this then they do not have the necessary judgment to work in a professional position.

They prey on people who are down on their luck and looking for a quick/easy way to improve their situation. ITT Tech has a billboard here in town that says: "0 to Bachelor's in 2.5." There is no way to get a quality education in that amount of time, even going overloaded.

If you really want to improve your situation go to a community college for two years to see if you're really cut out for higher education and then transfer to an affordable state school. All you will end up with from a diploma mill is an expensive private student loan, a worthless piece of paper, and possibly a black mark on your resume.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

I was wondering how many of you attend the university of phoenix and if you think it is worth it??
thanks for your input

You really need to watch this video. The jury is still out and will be out for a while in regards to for-profit education. You will see that is especially true after watching the video. But I went to a state university and paid a lot less for my degree than UofP charges for tuition and I've never had to worry about people possibly scrutinizing the worth of my degree.

 

[hardtoremember]

I agree with MasterTech99... Unless you have a lot of time and money to throw away I don't think it is worth it. I have always looked at those places like the Walmart of education with Macy's pricing.
Like he said, go to a community college and see how you like it. Take some courses in your field and go from there.

 

[manderso]

Stay away from Phoenix, but I got a lot out of Devry. Not as much as I paid, but it's better than Phoenix.

 

[vdub12]

Having a degree from a diploma mill like that will only serve to hurt you in the long run. The company that I work for has 8 computers stores, and ISP, an onsite IT service, and in-store tech in each location. That's about 200 employees and I can tell you for a fact that having University of Phoenix, DeVry, or ITT Tech on your resume will get you an automatic pass when you apply. It's been like that at every place that I've ever worked from fortune 500 companies to smaller shops. It all comes down to judgment. If someone wasted their time and money on a school like this then they do not have the necessary judgment to work in a professional position.

They prey on people who are down on their luck and looking for a quick/easy way to improve their situation. ITT Tech has a billboard here in town that says: "0 to Bachelor's in 2.5." There is no way to get a quality education in that amount of time, even going overloaded.

If you really want to improve your situation go to a community college for two years to see if you're really cut out for higher education and then transfer to an affordable state school. All you will end up with from a diploma mill is an expensive private student loan, a worthless piece of paper, and possibly a black mark on your resume.

Well I have to say that I am a little ticked at all the responses.

I am currently enrolled in uofp and for all you people that say its not as hard or its not the same as a real college you can go to hell. I work my ass off running a business and going to school at the same time. Its not easy and a 4 year degree takes 4 years. Its the same work and can actually be harder then a regular college because you don't have the lecture time you normally would. Yes its expensive but thats life. To say that its not just as accredited as other colleges and that employers would black ball you for it is just downright criminal. Unless you have gone there and know for a fact what its like then I think you need to keep your comments to yourself.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

Well I have to say that I am a little ticked at all the responses.

I am currently enrolled in uofp and for all you people that say its not as hard or its not the same as a real college you can go to hell. I work my ass off running a business and going to school at the same time. Its not easy and a 4 year degree takes 4 years. Its the same work and can actually be harder then a regular college because you don't have the lecture time you normally would. Yes its expensive but thats life. To say that its not just as accredited as other colleges and that employers would black ball you for it is just downright criminal. Unless you have gone there and know for a fact what its like then I think you need to keep your comments to yourself.

I never said I was necessarily for or against it, but I am for an individual bettering themselves in any way that works for their situation, while having realistic expectations regarding the outcomes of how their education will provide for them. I'm just happy I didn't wind up in student loan dept while having to defend the validity of my credential to any that may have scrutinized me over it.

I've never went there so I don't know, just like I assume you've never attended a state school. I did however apply to go there once and got turned off real fast by their aggressive tactics trying to get me to enroll. At the same time I appied to grad school at my alma matter and was accepted, but they pretty much left me alone unless I called them for more info.

The link I posted to the video didn't necessarily paint the best light of UofP but also didn't paint the worst picture. UofP declined to be interviewed but did post responses to some of the things that the video pointed out, without having to answer direct questions. That kind of looked somewhat negative in my opinion avoiding an objective interview and line of questioning. I did surprisingly find by reading a lot of comments after the video that the consensus was pretty much 50/50 on being for or against the for-profits. Many of the commenters claimed to be faculty at both for-profits and non-profits. I can honestly say the folks who claimed to be faculty opinions were also pretty mixed.

 

[JJsMom]

My two cents on UOP

I have read the comments and believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. With that being said, I am the proud recipient of not only a Bachelors Degree in IT but also Masters in Information Systems. Given that I am a divorced Mom of a child under ten, it was the best way for me to complete my studies. I had good instructors that kept the students engaged in the subject being taught and I also had instructors that I was too glad to be done with. UOP is certainly not for the faint of heart, nor is I suspect any other online institution. It is a fast pace and there is quite a bit of reading, writing and research that need to be done. Insinuating that it is some type of "mill" is not at all accurate, at least in my opinion. I realized early on in my educational pursuits that no college, university or school is supposed to teach you everything nor should it be expected to. It takes discipline to complete any educational program whether it be in a brick and mortar institution or online. I say all of that to say whatever you decide make sure you do your research into the program that you are interested in. I will always champion the online route to education because the day-to-day responsibilities of my life would make it very difficult to spend all day and work and tending to my family, only to get up and drive who knows how many miles to sit for 3 hours and listen to an instructor lecture. Make no mistake I have done it and trust me I am completely sold on the experience and would certainly do it again. Hope this helps and please feel free to contact me if you need any other information.

 

[MasterTech99]

Well I have to say that I am a little ticked at all the responses.

I am currently enrolled in uofp and for all you people that say its not as hard or its not the same as a real college you can go to hell. I work my ass off running a business and going to school at the same time. Its not easy and a 4 year degree takes 4 years. Its the same work and can actually be harder then a regular college because you don't have the lecture time you normally would. Yes its expensive but thats life. To say that its not just as accredited as other colleges and that employers would black ball you for it is just downright criminal. Unless you have gone there and know for a fact what its like then I think you need to keep your comments to yourself.

Twelve months in a combat zone, I've been to hell sunshine and I don't recommend it

I'm not going to try and convince you of anything but I'm sure you know the truth or you wouldn't be so touchy about it. If you want to be the manager of your local Taco Bell then go for a degree from UoP. If you want to be the IT manager of a Fortune 500 then look somewhere else.

Nobody with half a clue is going to hire a UoP graduate for a decent position. I'm sure there are exceptions but that is the rule.

 

[vdub12]

I never said I was necessarily for or against it, but I am for an individual bettering themselves in any way that works for their situation, while having realistic expectations regarding the outcomes of how their education will provide for them. I'm just happy I didn't wind up in student loan dept while having to defend the validity of my credential to any that may have scrutinized me over it.

I've never went there so I don't know, just like I assume you've never attended a state school. I did however apply to go there once and got turned off real fast by their aggressive tactics trying to get me to enroll. At the same time I appied to grad school at my alma matter and was accepted, but they pretty much left me alone unless I called them for more info.

The link I posted to the video didn't necessarily paint the best light of UofP but also didn't paint the worst picture. UofP declined to be interviewed but did post responses to some of the things that the video pointed out, without having to answer direct questions. That kind of looked somewhat negative in my opinion avoiding an objective interview and line of questioning. I did surprisingly find by reading a lot of comments after the video that the consensus was pretty much 50/50 on being for or against the for-profits. Many of the commenters claimed to be faculty at both for-profits and non-profits. I can honestly say the folks who claimed to be faculty opinions were also pretty mixed.

I tried watching the video but there was no audio.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

I tried watching the video but there was no audio.

Works fine for me and I'm on a Mac. Maybe you need a computer tech?

Kidding. Here is a direct link for the whole program.

 

[red12049]

Well I have to say that I am a little ticked at all the responses.

I am currently enrolled in uofp and for all you people that say its not as hard or its not the same as a real college you can go to hell. I work my ass off running a business and going to school at the same time. Its not easy and a 4 year degree takes 4 years. Its the same work and can actually be harder then a regular college because you don't have the lecture time you normally would. Yes its expensive but thats life. To say that its not just as accredited as other colleges and that employers would black ball you for it is just downright criminal. Unless you have gone there and know for a fact what its like then I think you need to keep your comments to yourself.

Tell you what Vdub....before you tell people to shut up, why don't you check out the facts of what they have to say? Most HR people do not look upon UoP very favorably. There are other online institutions that are considered to be the equivalent of regular school, but UoP is not one of them. Before you you just shoot the messenger when he says something you don't like, check out the facts. Grab a few HR people in the real world and ask them. Going there, and what hiring managers think about UoP are two different things.

Oh, and BTW, despite your protests, it's NOT criminal to voice an opinion, even an incorrect one.

Rick

 

[vdub12]

Oh, and BTW, despite your protests, it's NOT criminal to voice an opinion, even an incorrect one.

Very true but it is criminal to be prejudice to a particular "accredited" school just because you don't like it. If a hiring manager was caught pulling out resumes because of the school they went to then it would be grounds for a law suit.

Works fine for me and I'm on a Mac. Maybe you need a computer tech?

Kidding. Here is a direct link for the whole program.

I guess turning the volume up on my speakers works,

I'm in Linux and I typically just expect many of those sites to not work.

 

[vdub12]

Well I just watched the video and I don't see anywhere where it talks about the UofP having a lower quality curriculum. I think the main point that was justified in this video is that in order for this country to have more college educated people these types of colleges are needed because traditional colleges cannot handle the number of people that want to attend.

 

[MasterTech99]

Very true but it is criminal to be prejudice to a particular "accredited" school just because you don't like it. If a hiring manager was caught pulling out resumes because of the school they went to then it would be grounds for a law suit.

Maybe you're not in the US but here it is perfectly legal and expected to use education as a determining factor in hiring. I want to reject every application from "Joe's school of IT" then I am perfectly within my rights to do so.

 

[ATTech]

Very true but it is criminal to be prejudice to a particular "accredited" school just because you don't like it. If a hiring manager was caught pulling out resumes because of the school they went to then it would be grounds for a law suit.

Where did you come up with such an asinine belief like that? I can't believe you actually typed and posted that. University of Phoenix grads aren't a "protected class."

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

Very true but it is criminal to be prejudice to a particular "accredited" school just because you don't like it. If a hiring manager was caught pulling out resumes because of the school they went to then it would be grounds for a law suit.

That's the thing, who's going to know? Just like you aren't supposed to be discriminated against for a job due to race, age, credit score, etc, but it happens. The only way anyone will know is if they outright tell you that's the reason you were passed up.

 

[MasterTech99]

That's the thing, who's going to know? Just like you aren't supposed to be discriminated against for a job due to race, age, credit score, etc, but it happens. The only way anyone will know is if they outright tell you that's the reason you were passed up.

No, the thing is that he's out in left field. You are allowed to discriminate based on academic background and there would be no basis for a law suit.

The UoP is a known diploma mill in the same way that Lindsay Lohan is a known drug user. It may or may not be true but that is the general perception and that is what they'll be judged on.

 

[rcspcs]

No offense to anyone, but personally im with some of the above posters put your money into a 2 year cc, and a lot of certs.

 

[anonymous Mac Tech]

No offense to anyone, but personally im with some of the above posters put your money into a 2 year cc, and a lot of certs.

I earned a total of 4 2yr. associate degrees all in IT disciplines at my CC for a grand total of approximately $5,000. Then was able to transfer 94 credits (after meeting certain prereqs and requirements) to my state U that had an articulation agreement with my CC. After that it only took me 2 years going part time to finish my bachelor's and my whole education put me out of about $12,000 by the time it was all said and done. Of course, since I graduated tuition has inflated some more, but there are now several articulation agreements like that in place to choose from now. Still can't beat the price compared to any other alternatives.