SSD's When will they be standard

[johnrobert]

I was looking at some new laptops and desktops they all came with conventional drives
I wonder when the SSD's will be standard in most new computers
the price of a Samsung 250 gig is about a $100 now
I am sure they could be made for a lot less like the IPhone
The spinning HD's will be like CRT monitors

 

[GTP]

I try to talk all my clients into SSD's now. 90% go for it.

 

[Your PCMD]

Well, to answer your question, money!!

You can get a 1TB laptop drive for under $100, but you need to spend 3 to 4 times that much for a 1TB SSD. So, why would a company put a 120GB or even a 240GB in a laptop in place of a 1TB drive? I would wager that a customer looking at 2 identical laptops at the same price - one has a 1TB HDD the other has a 240GB SSD would opt to buy the one with the 1TB drive. More space, same price.

You'd be surprised to know that it costs less than $20 more to make a 1TB SSD than it does to make a 250GB SSD. So why are 1TB SSD's $400+ and the 250GB is $59? Answer, greed.

Just like mechanical drives, eventually, the price of SSD's will fall to pennies per GB because of new media being developed. Already there is a move towards laptop CPUs that have not only onboard graphics, but also onboard SSD's. Think, how do you think they get laptop's thinner and thinner?

 

[OaksLabs]

The spinning HD's will be like CRT monitors

I think we're going to see a bit of cat-and-mouse for a while, as mechanical drive capacity will continue to grow and the price-per-GB at large capacities will still be cheaper on the mechanical side.

However, for residential stuff 500GB and less, I think you are right.

 

[trevm999]

However, for residential stuff 500GB and less, I think you are right.

Typically, the majority of business workstations need less space than residential computers. I'd say a 120GB drive is sufficient. But typical business class computers still comes with 500GB HDDs.

At my job I've stopped ordering in new laptops. A new basic business class i3 laptop is $800 CAD. However I can get a refurbished i5 laptop and an SSD for $400. Why would I get the $800 laptop where users would still complain about it being slow, when I can spend less and get no complains about slowness?

 

[trevm999]

However, what's nice about the current situation, is that you can guarantee you can fix a customer's computer and it will be faster than if they just went out and bought a new cheap replacement one.

 

[GTP]

Already there is a move towards laptop CPUs that have not only onboard graphics, but also onboard SSD's

This would fit right in at AMD and Intel I would imagine.

 

[sapphirescales]

OEM crap has always been just that...crap. I wouldn't be surprised if even 5 or 10 years from now most desktops are shipping with HDD's. Laptops will eventually be forced into SSD's because of thinness, but most are probably going to be like the HP streambooks with soldered on SD cards they pass off as real SSD's.

I don't know. Personally I would be happier with a thicker laptop where most of it is empty to allow better cooling and easier repairability while still being light due to the type of enclosure and the light weight of the components themselves. I'd also prefer a smartphone that's 3-4x thicker and has a super high capacity battery. I hope this obsession with thinness eventually dies out. I mean, how thin can you get it and why bother? I don't want to have to use a butter knife to open my laptops lid.

 

[Moltuae]

Well, to answer your question, money!!

You can get a 1TB laptop drive for under $100, but you need to spend 3 to 4 times that much for a 1TB SSD. So, why would a company put a 120GB or even a 240GB in a laptop in place of a 1TB drive? I would wager that a customer looking at 2 identical laptops at the same price - one has a 1TB HDD the other has a 240GB SSD would opt to buy the one with the 1TB drive. More space, same price.

You'd be surprised to know that it costs less than $20 more to make a 1TB SSD than it does to make a 250GB SSD. So why are 1TB SSD's $400+ and the 250GB is $59? Answer, greed.

Just like mechanical drives, eventually, the price of SSD's will fall to pennies per GB because of new media being developed. Already there is a move towards laptop CPUs that have not only onboard graphics, but also onboard SSD's. Think, how do you think they get laptop's thinner and thinner?

^^ This.

And also, there's still a great lack of awareness of SSD technology and how it differs from traditional mechanical drive tech. Without a physical side-by-side comparison, it's difficult to express the performance benefits to non-technical people. Most non-technical people can't relate to read/write times; they just see 'more gigs' and understand that to mean 'better' because it'll hold more of their stuff (even though they'll probably never use more than about 10% of the drive's capacity).

Despite how long SSDs have been around now, I find that a lot of people are still unaware of the technology, let alone understand what SSDs are and how they work. I actually carry a disassembled 2.5" HDD and SSD around with me in my laptop bag to help demonstrate the differences and explain why SSDs are inherently faster and more reliable, have a greater tolerance to shocks, use less power and generate less heat. I find that after demonstrating the physical differences and also how few of the 'gigs' they're using on their present mechanical drive, choosing an SSD usually becomes a no-brainer.

 

[JoeTech]

I think it is still years away. I still see some laptops with 5400 rpm drives and it makes me cringe at how much better off they would be with an ssd. I wonder by the time ssd's become more standard will they still be using sata based ssd's or will they be using the much thinner m2 or nvme based ssd's?

 

[trevm999]

I guess this is an example of why everything in IT need a good buzz word

 

[HFultzjr]

Because:
1TB of "memory" is much better than 250GB.........LOL
1TB will keep you from filling up your computer and running out of "memory' (space).
Bigger is always better (faster), right.
Most end users wouldn't understand their computer specs even if you spell it out for them.
If I move up from my 250GB to this new 1TB, will my internet be faster???????
LOL.................

 

[Markverhyden]

Many business machines are already spec'd with SSD's when you go online to order one. Consumer machines? Well we all know how little they understand things like @HFultzjr said. LOL!!!

A couple of weeks ago I was at a customer, dental practice, that we had upgraded everything. When discussing things I asked the husband if he wanted an SSD in his laptop as it would be much faster. When he heard another $350 he said no thanks. He said he thought his laptop would have been faster. But it is faster than his old one. So I showed him my 9 year old D630, with an SSD, which boots to the desktop quicker than his new laptop. He said he was going to stop second guessing me about my recommendations.

Like many others have mentioned in other threads. Putting in an SSD is a fantastic way to make a machine really run faster. And once the customers see the difference they do not have a problem with the price.

 

[JoeTech]

My mom goes to quilting conferences and it sounds like they are mostly full of old ladies showing off there quilting patterns for sale and how to make different patterns. Her laptop is 5 years old and nothing special but I did put a nice samsung ssd in it. She mainly uses it for pdf's and a quilting program that everyone seems to use to make the patterns.

I always get a good laugh when she comes back from one of the conferences and talks about how the other people ask how her laptop can open things so fast. I'm pretty sure she is probably the only one there using an ssd and it makes her so much more productive. Considering it is mainly older ladies, it is probably scary to think what everyone is using. Probably 10 year old xp laptops wouldn't surprise me.

Of course she did say that one lady was mad because she went to best buy and she told them she needed the fastest laptop they had and my mom's laptop was still so much faster that she said she was going to return the laptop when she got home. If these conferences weren't all out of state and out of my service area, I probably could make a killing upgrading them all to ssd's.

 

[HFultzjr]

In my opinion, as long as the computer has enough ram, an SSD upgrade is the best dollars spent.
Hands down. I've seen old dual-cores boot and run faster than new i5's with a 5400 platter.
Saw one once that had 8 GB Ram, i5 processor, and a 1TB 5400 rpm Seagate.
Who in their right mind would build such a machine.
It was bought from one of the shopping channels.....$800.00
I could do a refurbished business laptop with an SSD for 1/2 that and it would run circles around it.
LOL.

 

[MichaelEC]

Consumers aren't all that aware of access speeds, write capability, and so on. Size is all that matters to them.

 

[GTP]

they just see 'more gigs' and understand that to mean 'better' because it'll hold more of their stuff (even though they'll probably never use more than about 10% of the drive's capacity).

Every time I build a new system the client insists on a 1 ~ 2Tb drive, even though they only have about 10 ~ 15Gb of data on it!

 

[GTP]

Because:
1TB of "memory" is much better than 250GB.........LOL
1TB will keep you from filling up your computer and running out of "memory' (space).
Bigger is always better (faster), right.
Most end users wouldn't understand their computer specs even if you spell it out for them.
If I move up from my 250GB to this new 1TB, will my internet be faster???????
LOL.................

Yes, and Skype will be much clearer! Lol

 

[NviGate Systems]

SSD won't be the standard anytime soon mainly because the powers that be want there to be a significant price difference. Which plays in multiple ways. It keeps consumers happy with ultra GB, profits keep flowing because we now live in a disposable market so consumers will always buy new to replace old junk. Plus those who want SSD will be paying premium so profit all around.

Greed. Everyone wants a piece of the pie.

 

[Easy PC]

Some of the HP ProBook range that we supply come with a M-Sata SSD, already installed - we pull it out and put a 240GB SSD in as standard. As already mentioned - OEM will use the cheapest SSD's they can get to keep costs down. And on another note, we use a lot of Crucial and Sandisk drives and starting to see alot of failures with the Sandisk's within a few weeks - now part for Western Digital group!!!!