Sage Accounts/Payroll alternatives?

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While I must've worked on and configured countless Sage installations over the years, I've never actually used it, nor do I know much about accounting or bookkeeping. It seems that Sage is the 'go to' Accounting software (in the UK at least) but, from a technical point of view, I find it quite lacking, especially for larger organisations.

It seems that their target market is very small businesses, typically with Sage installed directly on a desktop PC, with maybe a few other PCs accessing the data via a network share. They don't (properly) support Server 2012 installations, RDS or virtual machines. More recently, they introduced a database management service that needs to be installed on the 'main PC' (which appears to be some sort of afterthought/workaround to prevent database corruption) which doesn't support DFSR and namespaces, meaning that I've been forced to reduce data availability down to a single server for some customers. In fact, not only are namespaces and DFS/R not supported, their tech support had no idea what they were!

Another small but irritating example of what I mean, as anyone who has ever used/opened Sage will know, it prompts the user EVERY time the program is closed to do a backup, which is probably great in a small server-less organisation where the accounts staff themselves are responsible for taking daily backups, but in a larger business, where data replication, versioning and backups are taken care of automatically it's just an unnecessary and irritating feature and yet there's no way to turn the prompts off (according to Sage support).

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So, I'm looking for Sage Accounts/Payroll alternatives and wondering what else is out there and what other's experiences are, from both a technical point of view and the end-user's experience. Presently I'm looking at Pegasus Opera (which seems to have an SQL integration option). Has anyone had any experience with this? Are there any other good alternatives to Sage?
 
I use an online bookkeeping package called Xero. It is very easy to use and does what I need.
Thanks.

How capable is that? Do you know how it compares with the likes of Sage and would it be suitable for larger businesses (~100 employees)? Having little to no experience actually using accounting/bookkeeping software myself, most of the features mean nothing to me.
 
Would quickbooks be any good for this Mark?

I used to use a free accounting program called Adminsoft. That dealt with all the accounting side. Just didn't do anything payroll wise.
 
Would quickbooks be any good for this Mark?

I used to use a free accounting program called Adminsoft. That dealt with all the accounting side. Just didn't do anything payroll wise.
If he has around 100 users, QuickBooks wouldn't work. The Enterprise edition is maxed at 30 users.
Maybe consider Microsoft Dynamics.
 
Yeah, sorry 100 employees .... Maybe 10 users, max.

Thanks Nige. I'll take a look at Quickbooks too, though I don't really know what I'm looking for accounting features-wise to be honest. From a technical perspective, I'm just looking for something scalable that fits better in enterprise environments than Sage does. I think maybe I'll just present the accounting staff with any good alternatives and let them pick one.
 
Do you realize that Sage has larger multiserver applications like Sage 300?
I wasn't aware of that at all, thanks, I look into it!

Strange thing is, I've had numerous conversations with Sage (and so have some of my customers) about their software's lack of enterprise support and yet not once have they suggested that they have any alternative products.

Edit: Looks like Sage 300 might not be available in the UK, but Sage 200 seems to be, whatever that is ...
 
@Moltuae We have a number of clients using Quickbooks Premier who find it excellent. I've never had ANY DB issues with it. It seems to be a proper client server environment. Most applications plug into it.

Pegasus is a mid-market solution akin to Sage 200 etc. - 1 client using, technically solid.
Exchequer is similar - I have two clients using this - I don't like it as it's finicky but they love it.

MS Dynamics is amazingly good but needs a specialist to install, customise and maintain.
 
@Moltuae We have a number of clients using Quickbooks Premier who find it excellent. I've never had ANY DB issues with it. It seems to be a proper client server environment. Most applications plug into it.

Pegasus is a mid-market solution akin to Sage 200 etc. - 1 client using, technically solid.
Exchequer is similar - I have two clients using this - I don't like it as it's finicky but they love it.

MS Dynamics is amazingly good but needs a specialist to install, customise and maintain.
Excellent. Thanks very much for the info.
 
My FTJ use sage (I think it's sage 200), there is the main install on the server (server 2012) and the desktop has apps that read the servers database, we have 4 concurrent users set up as it is
 
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