NBN FTTC (in OZ) - 100Mbps and ADSL

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I am tech of a few years. I made switch a couple of months ago and signed up to NBN with My Republic on their 100 Tier.

My modem syncs everytime at just under 50Mbps, never less and never more.

I am 100 metres max from the node so no/little speed loss to be had, my previous ADSL2+ run smoothly over a run of copper cable on ADSL2+ for many years.

When I rang My Republic the support girl told me because ADSL2+ is still switched on in the area and sharing it with the NBN that my speeds are limited to 50Mbps only after ADSL2+ is completely switched off for my area (exchange) will NBN be able to deliver 100Mbps to the area.

Has anyone heard of this? Old mate google hasn't produced any search results from my searching.
 
smlie4 said:
I am tech of a few years. I made switch a couple of months ago and signed up to NBN with My Republic on their 100 Tier.

My modem syncs everytime at just under 50Mbps, never less and never more.

I am 100 metres max from the node so no/little speed loss to be had, my previous ADSL2+ run smoothly over a run of copper cable on ADSL2+ for many years.

When I rang My Republic the support girl told me because ADSL2+ is still switched on in the area and sharing it with the NBN that my speeds are limited to 50Mbps only after ADSL2+ is completely switched off for my area (exchange) will NBN be able to deliver 100Mbps to the area.

Has anyone heard of this? Old mate google hasn't produced any search results from my searching.
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This discussion might be relevant

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2606132

Apparently adsl and nbn co-existing is a thing. And you are not necessarily connected to the closest node. The thing is, regardless of the technical issues with nbn, you shouldn't be paying for a service you are not getting. If you are getting only 50Mbps then that is what you should be paying for. You should tell them to adjust the plan and refund the difference in the plans for the time you've been paying the wrong plan.
 
smlie4 said:
I am 100 metres max from the node
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The title of your post mentions FTTC (fibre to the curb) which means the 'node' would be on the street outside your house and it only services up to 2 houses I believe. Should be a maximum of only 10-15 metres away. Or did you mean FTTN?

I would have thought that FTTC wouldn't have the issues associated with the coexistence of ADSL, unless I suppose the one other house you're possibly sharing the node with is still using ADSL. Continuation of the ADSL service is guaranteed for 18 months after the availability of a fixed-line NBN service.

It begs the question to your provider though, why sign up people to 100Mb/s plans if it's certain to only deliver 50Mb/s?
 
I'm sure people with far more knowledge on this subject will chime in here.

So your paying for half what you should get? Did you ask for a refund?

if you are still using copper lines to your premises you will never get 100Mbps.
AFAIK copper (great for voice) can only handle a maximum of 24Mbps, so they must be using some type of amplifier to boost it.
There's a fair amount of geewizery behind POTS lines to send a broadband signal.

Stated speeds by telco's were very much overrated - consequently ending up with Telco's and ISP's getting a severe reprimand from the ACCC.
This is why there are now disclaimers on ISP websites offering penalty free contract outs and compensation for overcharging for under rated speeds.

Example from the Dodo website www.dodo.com:

"Notice of delay – Dodo will be contacting affected consumers by 18 May 2018

Did you purchase a Dodo NBN plan between 1 October 2015 and 22 March 2018? You may be entitled to a partial refund or be able exit your contract without cost. Dodo is providing remedies to consumers who purchased NBN internet plans where their fibre to the node (FTTN) or fibre to the building (FTTB) connection was not capable of delivering the speeds promised. We acknowledge that, by doing so, we likely breached the Australian Consumer Law. Dodo has been delayed and will be contacting affected consumers by 18 May 2018 to offer options including a refund, moving to a lower speed plan or exiting their contract. Dodo had previously stated that it would contact affected consumers by 27 April 2018. Click here for more information, or contact us on 1300 076 089."

Others have them as well.

The whole NBN is a shambles IMO, with telco's talking up products that fall way short of expectation.
 
Newer Connections to NBN now use FTTC as fincoder stated. Personally I have never had any issues with NBN. DODO are the most useless company - their "routers" wifi range is piss poor and not manageable at all. Who the heck is My Republic? never heard of them.

Haven't had many good reviews My Republic lol..
 
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glennd said:
This discussion might be relevant

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2606132

Apparently adsl and nbn co-existing is a thing. And you are not necessarily connected to the closest node. The thing is, regardless of the technical issues with nbn, you shouldn't be paying for a service you are not getting. If you are getting only 50Mbps then that is what you should be paying for. You should tell them to adjust the plan and refund the difference in the plans for the time you've been paying the wrong plan.
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Thank you for that whirlpool link was just what I was after ;c)

I signed up with them before NBN re-released the packages in Jan I would be in no better position financially changing packages as the 50 plans now cost as much as the 100 plans did.
 
fincoder said:
The title of your post mentions FTTC (fibre to the curb) which means the 'node' would be on the street outside your house and it only services up to 2 houses I believe. Should be a maximum of only 10-15 metres away. Or did you mean FTTN?
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Blonde moment ;c) I am of course talking about FTTN, It must have been the FTTC press release I was reading previously that made my fingers type wrong. Sorry all.
 
Barcelona said:
AFAIK copper (great for voice) can only handle a maximum of 24Mbps ...
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VDSL2 offers 100+ Mbps over copper, but very limited in range – it drops to ADSL+ speed (~24 Mbps) at about 1 km, depending on cable size and quality, at which point syncing at ADSL+ is probably more robust.

These are nominal speeds: actual throughput for VDSL2 is around 80 Mbps.

Aside: I read FTTC as fibre to the cabinet – i.e., the last node – then copper to the premises. That would be VDSL(2), but it depends on local topology, though I'd be surprised if Australian network topology was very different to Europe in an urban environment.
 
smlie4 said:
When I rang My Republic the support girl told me because ADSL2+ is still switched on in the area and sharing it with the NBN that my speeds are limited to 50Mbps only after ADSL2+ is completely switched off for my area (exchange) will NBN be able to deliver 100Mbps to the area.
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Unless MyRepublic do things different (which I doubt) this is false. Yes once it is switched off you will get a better speed but you can definitely get over 50Mbps currently.

When I first had FTTN connected I was syncing at around 42Mbps. I I then disconnected my other phone points and this jumped to around 54Mpbs. I then had my internal wiring changed and I'm now syncing at around 83Mbps. So maybe look at getting you internal wiring changed. I had my cabler hook up my modem at the junction box first which confirmed a speed of over 80Mbps, I then had him replace the internal cabling.
 
dipper said:
When I first had FTTN connected I was syncing at around 42Mbps. I I then disconnected my other phone points and this jumped to around 54Mpbs. I then had my internal wiring changed and I'm now syncing at around 83Mbps. So maybe look at getting you internal wiring changed. I had my cabler hook up my modem at the junction box first which confirmed a speed of over 80Mbps, I then had him replace the internal cabling.
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Good point.

I've had this house around 3 years now. There was 2 phone points in the house. I disconnected the 2nd point (not the 1st point into the house) and pulled it up through the wall and chased it over to my network rack which is where the modem is running from.

I've never checked the wiring on my 1st point I might have a look this week.

No one on facebook groups in my suburb seem to have opted for a 100 tier plan so I can't even get any comparison to see if anyone has attained more than 50mbps of the exchange.

I did look around on ebay etc trying to buy a telstra outdoor grey box with the flap so I could make my wire off the street more easily accessible.
 
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NJW said:
Aside: I read FTTC as fibre to the cabinet – i.e., the last node – then copper to the premises. That would be VDSL(2), but it depends on local topology, though I'd be surprised if Australian network topology was very different to Europe in an urban environment
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In Australia, FTTC is Fibre to the Curb (even though we spell it as Kerb). This is the telecommunications pit outside every few houses. Then copper across the front lawn into the house.

FTTN is fibre to the Node, which is the cabinet at the top of the street that could be 500m away. Then copper the rest of the way.
 
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