Minor rant : Movies that insult the audience.

bertie40

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I like movies. Mainly scifi, but I'm not averse to other genre.

I've noticed that over the last few years, movies are being produced that insult the audiences intelligence.

Maybe it's me, or maybe they believe members of the viewing public are just dumb. Or they are lazy.

Most movies are now scripted by a multitude of writers. In some cases, in the movie, you can actually determine where one writer stops,and another takes up the story.

Dear reader, let me illustrate my point.

2010 : the last act shows the valiant heroes battling to get abroad the huge ark ship, jamming the door as it embarks and risking the flooding and imminent death of hundreds of thousands of people.

What does the captain do ?
He whoops with joy as they get aboard, yeah, way to go, blindly discarding the fact that they nearly got them all killed.

The audience is expected to do the same. I sat there alone with my normal bemused expression "Now hang on a minute.... Why are they cheering these dopes ?"

What also irritates me is the latest trend to blindly dismiss the death of hundreds of thousands of people.

Examples are ....
1. The Avengers : alien craft tear though new York, ripping through buildings and crashing through them.

Do they share a thought for the thousands of people at work in those buildings ? Or down below getting pelted with masonry ?

2. Pacific Rim : similar to above. What are members of the public in these situations ?
Fair Game?
Life in the big city ?

Man of steel : Heavy duty city destruction. Skyscrapers levelled etc. Planetary terra forming.
What the hell, it's only people.

Don't even get me started on the Transformer movies.

Even schwartznegger movies have more humanity and conscience than these.

No. Little or no remorse is rendered in these situations.

Yes, it is comic book, but it still rattles me that little attempt is made to illustrate the immense loss of life in these situations. Or remorse.

I do recall with fondness, the original Superman and Superman II, with Chris Reeve, bless him.

After battling zod around metropolis, he surveys the devastation around him, and buggers off, which is misinterpreted as cowardice, in an effort to prevent further destruction and loss of life.

In order to repair the effects of a devastating earthquake, he performs his reverse planetary roadrunner routine, which fixes things and restores those dead millions back to life.

At least the filmmaker tried in those days.
 
You might be overthinking the genre. Take away all that destruction and you really don't have much left in those movies.
 
Bertie I agree with ya. And that is why a few years ago, I devised a solution...

When I watch movies of mindless, pointless, brain cell killing movies (borat, hangover, etc) I watch for the comedy, which there seems to be little of.

Movies like the avengers, I typically watch for the good guys, bad guys, explosions...you know, awesomeness...

Only movies I can't watch are war/military movies because as my points out "its a movie done by a bunch of civilians who don't know what's its like to sit in a motorpool for hours for a dress reharsal for some ceremony for some officer leaving or getting promoted in the middle of a combat zone...go easy on them and just watch the movie"
 
Fair points have been made.
I acknowledge it's just part of the story.....And I am taking it too literally.

Most movies, scifi and fantasy in particular rely on the creation of an illusion. And you, the viewer, no matter how ridiculous, have to "buy in" to that illusion. At least to some extent.

It's the ability to suspend disbelief, and for the most part, I can do that.

A certain relative, who shall remain nameless, relishes in pointing out inaccuracies and plot holes mid-movie, and then, bam, you are back in the real world again dammit.

But, it's like a spot of dead pixels on a monitor, try as you might, this huge amounts of death, I find it difficult to ignore.

I'll still watch the movies though
 
You can't overthink, or read more into them than whats being shown. Even if they show thousands of people being decimated as the skyscraper is being demolished by a horde of aliens and super heroes.

I think Batman and Iron Man are the two closest to actually considering the environment these days. Consider Iron Man 3....

Lets have an epic battle, in the middle of nowhere
 
Yeh its hard to not take it too personally when you are being treated like an vegetable life-support system for a box-office wallet. .

Pacific RIM - these guys are saving the planet and are regarded as super-hero rock stars. Our Hero's brother dies and he is out of work as a Pilot so goes to shovel coal in a mine.

Sheeit if that was me I would be off drinking margharitas on my personal island paradise surrounded by bikini-clad nubiles.

But y'know, whatever.

Someone once said that enjoyment of movies is almost purely the extent to which we are capable of "suspension of disbelief"

Seems to me this is quite a smart way to look at it.

In its purest form, sheer exercise of intellect would lead the viewer to be saying "who are these idiots pretending to be someone they are not and saying things invented by someone else and handed to them on a piece of paper? - this is an ionsult to my intelligence and I will not stand for it!"

So anything thats not aligned to that extreme requires active suspension of disbelief.

I reckon the 'best' movies are those that dont require us to work and are therefore most effective at immersing us in the not-real.

Anyway, getting back to Pacific Rim, personally I had to work too hard and kept finding myself taking the piss. At that point the makers of the film had failed because I was required to work to hard to believe the story. And yes, I felt 'insulted' by the numerous implausibilities in the plot :p

J
 
Yeh its hard to not take it too personally when you are being treated like an vegetable life-support system for a box-office wallet. .

Pacific RIM - these guys are saving the planet and are regarded as super-hero rock stars. Our Hero's brother dies and he is out of work as a Pilot so goes to shovel coal in a mine.

Sheeit if that was me I would be off drinking margharitas on my personal island paradise surrounded by bikini-clad nubiles.

But y'know, whatever.

Someone once said that enjoyment of movies is almost purely the extent to which we are capable of "suspension of disbelief"

Seems to me this is quite a smart way to look at it.

In its purest form, sheer exercise of intellect would lead the viewer to be saying "who are these idiots pretending to be someone they are not and saying things invented by someone else and handed to them on a piece of paper? - this is an ionsult to my intelligence and I will not stand for it!"

So anything thats not aligned to that extreme requires active suspension of disbelief.

I reckon the 'best' movies are those that dont require us to work and are therefore most effective at immersing us in the not-real.

Anyway, getting back to Pacific Rim, personally I had to work too hard and kept finding myself taking the piss. At that point the makers of the film had failed because I was required to work to hard to believe the story. And yes, I felt 'insulted' by the numerous implausibilities in the plot :p

J

Suspension of disbelief does not always necessitate the insulting of one's intelligence. The two can exist completely independent of each other. I don't mind working hard for a good movie (following plot twist, investing in the characters, accepting an altered reality, etc) In fact I prefer this to being spoon-fed. However, my experience has been that these varieties of "blockbuster" movies actually make us work too hard.....too hard at ignoring glaring plot holes, poor acting, poor writing, poor directing, and so on.

As you implied, these thing are there just to make money from the masses. They're kind of like cheap booze; good if you need a quick buzz, but not a replacement for quality label. If you go in expecting a complex and refined Bordeaux, you'll likely be disappointed by a bottle of Mad Dog.

I don't generally watch "blockbuster" movies for the same reason I don't listen to Top 40 music or read pop fiction. Not because I'm some elitist snob, but rather these things hold no interest for me. I'd rather savor a glass of the good stuff than down a bottle of crap wrapped in a shiny label....and I don't mind working for it :D
 
It is interesting how in modern sci-fi or catastrofy films any destructions can be justified as a spectacle, unless the victims of this destructions are not shown
 
I blame the Powerpuff Girls. Millions of children watched this cartoon but could never fully appreciate how much loss of human life happened every week. Watch any episode of that cartoon, countless sky scrapers in Townsville get destroyed, always in the middle of a business day, but what about the carnage ? :confused:
 
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