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Good morning from Southern Illinois! I was called to a local hotel during the week to take a look at their slow network, there are around 150 rooms in three buildings. They have a T1 line feeding two of the buildings and the third is DSL. There are approximately six switches. This appears to have been completed by someone with minimal knowledge. Anyway, I am just one person and I am also lacking proper testing equipment. I really would like this "large" job but I don't feel totally confident in my ability to diagnose and correct their issues (slow connections). They want to give me the job, they have dealt with two other local companies but havebhad bad experinces with both. Also with this job, after completion they will give me the maitenence contract and also maintain me for all tech support issues. Besides being without proper equipment I would have no idea how to bill such a job. I don't want to loose the job but I don't want to look like a fool either! I am thinking of trying to fiind someone to assist me. I just don't know what to do!!
 
I probably won't be of much help, but what exactly is slow? T1 lines aren't really fast anymore. If it's just internet browsing, maybe a DNS issue?
 
I probably won't be of much help, but what exactly is slow? T1 lines aren't really fast anymore. If it's just internet browsing, maybe a DNS issue?

The two buildings with the problems average about 700kbps downstream. Their provider says the issue is not on their end. I'm guessing the original installation was not done properly or configuration was improper.They also want to eradicate all use of VOIP and P2P services.
 
Good morning from Southern Illinois!

Anyway, I am just one person and I am also lacking proper testing equipment. I really would like this "large" job but I don't feel totally confident in my ability to diagnose and correct their issues (slow connections).

I don't want to loose the job but I don't want to look like a fool either! I am thinking of trying to fiind someone to assist me. I just don't know what to do!!

angry_geek is an incredibly knowledgeable member of these forums and is located in Illinois (not sure if hes close to you, but worth a shot). Even though I only really know him through the forums here I'd vouch for him. Maybe you guys could form a partnership to benefit both of you?
 
I would pass it on to somone else but be sure to get a piece of the action on this. Could be nice money for just handing it off.
 
If you lack the proper skills, knowledge, and tools to do the job, then pass it off to someone who has. In the meantime, build up your skills, and tools. Perhaps work under a professional for awhile.

I've invested a large amount of cash to get things going here and business is booming! Passing the job on is an option but going back to work for someone would be 10 steps backwards. Not a option. There is no need to work under anyone. I don't see myself closing up shop because of one job,, haha no way.
 
I would pass it on to somone else but be sure to get a piece of the action on this. Could be nice money for just handing it off.

That is what I'm thinking. I can't let it go for nothing. Two other local companies have screwed these people over,,, BAD.
 
I am not really sure what you are scared of.. it sounds like a large but easy job.. just test each switch seperately with a bandwidth tester website on your laptop to narrow in on what it is. throw up some filters on the router.. Just make sure its a flat fee since it sounds like its going to take you awhile initially.
 
I am not really sure what you are scared of.. it sounds like a large but easy job.. just test each switch seperately with a bandwidth tester website on your laptop to narrow in on what it is. throw up some filters on the router.. Just make sure its a flat fee since it sounds like its going to take you awhile initially.

Because he said:

"I am also lacking proper testing equipment."

It takes more than just stuff on a PC to really test a network.
 
I know this is slightly off topic. But testmy.net has the best most accurate bandwidth tester I have ever used. It really let me see where bottle necks are located.

So far its been VERY accurate. If you sign up for the forum you get to use the 100mb file test.

hondablaster
 
I know this is slightly off topic. But testmy.net has the best most accurate bandwidth tester I have ever used. It really let me see where bottle necks are located.

So far its been VERY accurate. If you sign up for the forum you get to use the 100mb file test.

hondablaster

+1, I came across this one the other day as well...
 
Thanks for your input everyone, I might not respond to every reply but trust me I am reading them!!
 
angry_geek is an incredibly knowledgeable member of these forums and is located in Illinois (not sure if hes close to you, but worth a shot). Even though I only really know him through the forums here I'd vouch for him. Maybe you guys could form a partnership to benefit both of you?

I'd just like to say that angry_geek and myself have met one another and had a very enjoyable visit. It's always nice to meet someone who can "speak the language". You are right, he is very a knowledgeable person and was full of good advice! Thanks angry_geek! It was nice to meet ya and I'll be in touch soon.

~techwyze
 
Please don;t take offense to what I say, I mean no harm. But, you have invested all of this money, and time, and yet you lack the basic tools and skill set to get this job done. It makes no difference in how much money and time you throw at something if you don't have what it takes to do the other things. I am not saying throw in the towel, but if you lack confidence in something as simple as this, perhaps you should re-gear your niche, and focus on easier jobs for the time being, like residential, or SOHO customers, until you build up your reputation, your skills, and tools. Maybe team up with a company that has a different niche than you do, and put them into clients like this hotel, and as mentioned, be the project manager, liaison for a small fee. We do something similar with a small company out in another state, it works well for them, as they still get a small cut.

I hope it works out for you, and I wish you good luck in the future.

Without going into a lot of detail I'll just say that this is not your typical, "simple" job. The installation was flawed from the get go, things were done half a$$ and without proper planning. A good portion of the work was done by the owner himself, who is not tech savvy in the least bit and made matters worse.

edit: For the record, residential is my niche. They called me, not I them.
 
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Some of the techs on here should make www.testmy.net a frequently visited place. I love it. Its great for testing wireless routers. Really lets you see if your getting the advertised speed or something far less. Minimum effort.

WRT110 only works @ 25 KBps thanks to testmy.net's tool.
 
Because he said:

"I am also lacking proper testing equipment."

It takes more than just stuff on a PC to really test a network.

Not necessarily. First off, begin by removing variables from the environment. Pull the switches off the router and test the bandwidth with only YOUR computer using the internet. That eliminates anyone else sucking bandwidth from the test.
If that tests out to be about 1.2 mbps or so (about all you're going to get from the t1), then begin working backwards..

Add one switch.. two switches, etc.
As you add switches, you can use something as simple (and free) as wireshark - set up one port to mirror traffic that is tied to the router... see what's going on.

Another troubleshooting tool you can use is opendns.org. Set them up to use that DNS server and look at the domains they are going to. That can make it pretty simple to see where traffic is going (at least a godo portion of it). You can also see some domains where virus traffic typically goes to.

What type of router do they have? Does it provide stats? Can you send syslog data to a syslog server? Set up kiwi syslog on your laptop and start watching the traffic.

If they have a 'home office' firewall like a low end linksys, netgear, dlink, they could be getting crushed with traffic.

Is all firmware updated? Are the switches manageble? If so, make sure their firmware is up to date also. I just had a customer who's internet was SLOW all the time.. what they didn't notice was their local traffic was irregular also because they used mostly wan resources. Upon looking at wireshark's captures, I noticed that I could see alot of point to point traffic - not just the broadcast traffic one expects to see on a switched network. Guess what - a simple firmware upgrade to their 3com switches - and viola! I'm the hero.

Take it step by step. Remove variables and work your way back. Its easy when you break it down.

After you clean up the network, you also have to realize they cannot control the computers on their network - so block everything you can so you can give a decent level of service to most people. Opendns will help monitor traffic as well as syslog data (which they should do anyways - if people are downloading child porn they want to be protected by log files).

Also, recommend a router that can have a dual wan interface to load balance traffic.. then throw some cheap bandwidth like dsl or cable at it as a secondary. You can do this with several different firewall / routers... dlink, sonicwall, linksys / cisco...

Good Luck!
 
Thanks for your in depth post! I am going to give them a rough estimate for the job. If they are agreeable with the estimate then I may proceed with putting it all on paper and giving them a firm price. I've heard through the "grapevine" that the owners of these buildings are quite the cheap skates. They do pay their bills but they don't want to. This may be a job that would turn into more of a headache than it is really worth.
 
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