Hackintoshing What part of this is illegal?

[tankman1989]

I was just reading about the dell mini 10V was a good netbook to put Snow Leopard on. I'm wondering what would happen if the store provided a computer that was ready to have the Mac OS installed, but not installed. Could they even provide the directions on how to do it or where to get the OS?

Just curious as to where the law stands on this issue?

 

[dannyd]

Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

A. Single Use License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license for the Apple Software,

you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time.

You
agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so.

This License does not allow the Apple
Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could be used by multiple
computers at the same time.
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

 

[Ccomp5950]

It's against the license, it's not illegal as in "You are going to jail"

If you are supplying people with the original apple software without them paying for it, it's a copyright issue.

If you are supplying people with a means to take software they already purchased and modify it themselves it shouldn't be illegal. Though if you consider the Apple Computer the worlds largest hardware dongle like I do, you may run into some problems with anti-circumvention items within the DMCA.

 

[vdub12]

I am running Snow Leopard on my Mini10v and it runs great. I have it triple booted with Windows 7 and Kubuntu.

Theres nothing thats going to get you sued or arrested for showing someone how to do it. Just look at all the videos on youtube. If it was against a law then I am sure they would be pulled.

Here is the guide I followed to do my triple boot.

http://www.youtube.com/user/anguish79

If you do it remember is has to be the MINI10v the MINI10 will not work it has to be the (V). The MINI10 has a newer Intel graphics chip in it that is not supported in OSX and it will be jerky as hell. The MINI10v uses the same Intel GMA that comes in the Mac mini.

 

[datadatau]

The part that is illegal is very plain in the license agreement. It can only be used on "Apple-branded computer".

Bottom line, it is technically illegal. You asked in the original post, so I am just pointing out the facts.

By the letter of the law it would be illegal for the individual that installs and runs the software in violation of the license agreement.

Now the last question is do you have enough money to defend your company against the Apple legal team if the challenge you on supplying the instructions on how to hack it??? Even if you will, I would have to believe that they have more legal funds than we do.

 

[vdub12]

The part that is illegal is very plain in the license agreement. It can only be used on "Apple-branded computer".

Bottom line, it is technically illegal. You asked in the original post, so I am just pointing out the facts.

By the letter of the law it would be illegal for the individual that installs and runs the software in violation of the license agreement.

Now the last question is do you have enough money to defend your company against the Apple legal team if the challenge you on supplying the instructions on how to hack it??? Even if you will, I would have to believe that they have more legal funds than we do.

A license agreement does not change the law. The question was is in legal? There is no law being broken. Yes its against the license agreement but if you are not agreeing with the license then you are not going against it. If the customer buys there own copy of OSX its there responsibility to follow the license agreement. You are just providing information. Company's can't claim law just because they wrote a license agreement. By breaking a license agreement you may not be entitled to use the software but your not going to go to jail. This would still be in the hands of the person actually installing it. By telling someone how to do it you are not breaking any laws. If any one was prosecuted for that I would feel very sad for my country. For that mater its not illegal to break a license agreement anyway. All a license agreement is is an agreement between the company providing the product and the consumer using it. By breaking that all you do is revoke your right to use the product.

 

[MrUnknown]

If any one was prosecuted for that I would feel very sad for my country. For that mater its not illegal to break a license agreement anyway. All a license agreement is is an agreement between the company providing the product and the consumer using it. By breaking that all you do is revoke your right to use the product.

If you are prosecuted, then (in the USA anyway) you can turn it into a freedom of speech issue.

License agreements are contracts, so you do revoke your rights to use the software, but the company can sue you, which is always fun.

 

[vdub12]

If you are prosecuted, then (in the USA anyway) you can turn it into a freedom of speech issue.

License agreements are contracts, so you do revoke your rights to use the software, but the company can sue you, which is always fun.

Yeah you might be right but I don't think Apple would be very popular if they sued everyone that build a hackintosh.

 

[gunslinger]

Ask psystar what can happen.

 

[iisjman07]

Ask psystar what can happen.

Lol, surely one of them must've seen a problem in their business plan.

It breaks the terms and conditions, but it could be argued that if apple didn't want their OS running on machines not designed for it then they should have tried harder to stop it

 

[vdub12]

Ask psystar what can happen.

Thats different, They pre-installed OSX so they where directly breaking the license agreement.

 

[ATTech]

Thats different, They pre-installed OSX so they where directly breaking the license agreement.

Playing devils advocate here, but even if you don't install it and accept the license agreement, by offering products and services that do lead to the consumer breaking license agreement, you can possibly be in trouble for, and I think I'm using the wrong words, but I want to say it's called tertiary interference. Essentially, you can be held responsible if you entice people to break licensing agreement.

Edit: after Googling, I'm almost positive that I used to wrong phrase, hopefully someone else knows.

 

[vdub12]

Playing devils advocate here, but even if you don't install it and accept the license agreement, by offering products and services that do lead to the consumer breaking license agreement, you can possibly be in trouble for, and I think I'm using the wrong words, but I want to say it's called tertiary interference. Essentially, you can be held responsible if you entice people to break licensing agreement.

Edit: after Googling, I'm almost positive that I used to wrong phrase, hopefully someone else knows.

I would agree with this is he was also selling the customer the software.

I am basing this on the fact that if this was against the law there would not be the number of how to's on line. If there was any laws against this i am sure Apple would send cease and desist orders to every hackintosh site on the net.

 

[red12049]

I would agree with this is he was also selling the customer the software.

I am basing this on the fact that if this was against the law there would not be the number of how to's on line. If there was any laws against this i am sure Apple would send cease and desist orders to every hackintosh site on the net.

Here ya go Vdub, please advise me which of these is legal:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+download+illegal+music&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+smoke+weed&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+steal+a+car&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+make+a+zip+gun&aq=f

The point of this little exercise is to suggest that you (and everyone) not practice (or interpret) the law without the proper education and credentials.

As techs, we get perturbed when someone outside our field tries to tell us about our profession. Think lawyers and judges might feel the same?

Just my .02. YMMV

Rick

 

[meanderer]

if you pay your proper dues (they do sell that install disc at retail after all) to access OSX, I doubt they will come after you.

Is there a clause somewhere that says "if you don't agree to agreement you can bring it back for refund"? so if I don't agree to the "apple computers only" clause in the agreement I can bring it back for refund? I don't think they want to deal with that if you actually paid for a license of OSX.

 

[vdub12]

Here ya go Vdub, please advise me which of these is legal:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+download+illegal+music&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+smoke+weed&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+steal+a+car&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+make+a+zip+gun&aq=f

The point of this little exercise is to suggest that you (and everyone) not practice (or interpret) the law without the proper education and credentials.

As techs, we get perturbed when someone outside our field tries to tell us about our profession. Think lawyers and judges might feel the same?

Just my .02. YMMV

Rick

Thats exactly what I am talking about. I could tell someone how to break the speed limit and I am not going to get in trouble for it. Thats the point of free speech. However, if the person I told that to got a ticket for speeding its on them.

 

[GreenCycleComputers]

Thats exactly what I am talking about. I could tell someone how to break the speed limit and I am not going to get in trouble for it. Thats the point of free speech. However, if the person I told that to got a ticket for speeding its on them.

Analogous to that would be a car dealer that advertises and sells a car that can do 150 MPH since as far as I know no road in the USA lets you travel anywhere near this fast.

 

[ATTech]

Thats exactly what I am talking about. I could tell someone how to break the speed limit and I am not going to get in trouble for it. Thats the point of free speech. However, if the person I told that to got a ticket for speeding its on them.

Civil and Criminal Law are two different animals. Regardless, if I went up to you and asked how to kill John Smith, and you told me the best way, you could be charged as an accessory, so yes, in theory, you can get in trouble. However, civilly, there is a statute that can get you in trouble if you entice people to break licensing agreements, which cost the company money. The term escapes me right now; maybe when I have time I will see If I can track it down.

 

[frenchscottie]

Here ya go Vdub, please advise me which of these is legal:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+download+illegal+music&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+smoke+weed&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+steal+a+car&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+make+a+zip+gun&aq=f

The point of this little exercise is to suggest that you (and everyone) not practice (or interpret) the law without the proper education and credentials.

As techs, we get perturbed when someone outside our field tries to tell us about our profession. Think lawyers and judges might feel the same?

Just my .02. YMMV

Rick

Hey red12049 you got some bad viewing habits.

 

[KompuKare]

It breaks the terms and conditions, but it could be argued that if apple didn't want their OS running on machines not designed for it then they should have tried harder to stop it

Like the one time Apple actually licenced to Power Computing el all (and bought the whole company to terminate that aggrement), the only reason Apple uses generic parts is so that they can get generic cheap(er) parts, still add their customary margin and sell them for a price people will buy them for'

If license agreements were truly the same as law, nobody would actually be able to use any software and software companies would be totally exempt from all liabilities. Yet there have been instances where they have been successfully sued