Guess what windows 10 patches broke this time

Had 5 customers this happened to looks like they may be going to apple after this lol.

And if they think that's going to get rid of this sort of issue, I have some oceanfront property in Omaha to offer them . . .

There seems to be this belief, entirely false, that "this sort of thing" never happens except under Windows. I've experienced similar under Apple's various OSes and Linux on several occasions over the years.

Also, and not that Microsoft doesn't screw up, because they do, but far too many want to instantly place blame on Microsoft. Real screw-ups will appear for "most" users on a given platform. A very few isolated problems (and that could affect thousands of persons worldwide, a minuscule portion of the embedded user base on a given hardware configuration) suggests issues idiosyncratic to the computers affected.
 
That had nothing to do with Windows. That was an Office issue that was patched later in the day. It did affect a ton of users though.
looks like they may be going to apple after this lol.
I doubt apple would have solved/saved them from this one if they use Outlook on the Apple product. Who knows.
 
Had 5 customers this happened to looks like they may be going to apple after this lol.

In my experience they always threaten to go to Apple until they see how much a Macbook or iMac costs. Instead they see the Chromebook over in the next section at Best Buy for $199 and purchase that because the salesman told them it's better than a Windows PC.
 
Yup, that issue was patched within 24/hrs. As @Porthos said, it was an Office issue, not a Windows issue. Apple would just tell you to buy a new device to fix the problem. :D
 
Our patching happens on Fridays....we had 3x calls out of over 150 business clients..they were break fix clients not managed (not users..but businesses...have over 2,000 users) and the fix was quick, and MS actually fixed it within several hours.
 
Some of my customers can't afford email client going down or windows 10 messing up when i said go Apple that means using apples mail program and some non-microsoft office suite so this does not happen.
One customer has been hit by almost all bugs from patching when he updated on one patch it prevented windows 10 from booting altogether you don't see that happen in an Apple at least i have never seen or heard of it happening.

2004 is still a huge mess being sorted out have loads of machines that it will not install and the ones that do nothing but problems they should have waited before even offering to release it.
 
Some of my customers can't afford email client going down or windows 10 messing up when i said go Apple that means using apples mail program and some non-microsoft office suite so this does not happen.

And if you believe this "does not happen" with non-Microsoft produced software, I have some oceanfront property in Omaha for you to look at!
 
And if you believe this "does not happen" with non-Microsoft produced software, I have some oceanfront property in Omaha for you to look at!

I have yet to see a patch in Linux that deleted files or prevent it from booting or broke printers or anything that was major i have switched over to Ubuntu on some of my personal machines and they have been updated from version 8 all the way to 20.04 with any issues.

I find not only does it boot faster but it has much less bloat than windows 10 at some point windows 10 will phase out alot of hardware support starting with 2004 and Linux will not have that issue.
 
If you want to cherry pick your "problems seen" list, then be my guest.

There is NO operating system that has NEVER had issues with updates/patches. It is the height of foolishness to believe that shifting either OS or application software will ELIMINATE these issues. It's just that simple.

Your claims about booting faster, etc., are not germane to the original objection in any way.

IT professionals should be tamping down the nonsense that gets spewed, frequently, that changing from one OS to another, or one specific application to another, is the way to end all issues related to updates and patches. It isn't, and has never been. Let's not even get in to how difficult it is for most to get used to completely unfamiliar ecosystems with an OS change.
 
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I have yet to see a patch in Linux that deleted files or prevent it from booting or broke printers

I lived exclusively with Linux for years and never had the issues with updates and patches that Windows has. I think their community vetting process is stronger and they listen to the community. When have you known Microsoft to listen unless they here hit over the head, pinned down and shouted at.
 
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I lived exclusively with Linux for years and never had the issues with updates and patches that Windows has. I think their community vetting process is stronger and they listen to the community. When have you known Microsoft to listen unless they here hit over the head, pinned down and shouted at.

The Linux community, in its entirety, is very small and insular compared to the embedded base of Windows users. That really does make a difference, and makes life easier for those developing the distros, too. Linux, by and large, makes separate distros to serve specific demographics.

Contrast that with Microsoft and Windows (any version), where the competing needs of a vast array of demographics are being addressed, and balanced, all the time. There are tensions in the Windows world that do not, and never have, existed within the world of the Linux distros in particular.

As frustrated as I get with Microsoft, I honestly can't say whether they're listening or not, as the shouting from quarters with diametrically opposed wants and needs is a constant din, and I'm not always (or even frequently) going to be in one of the quarters that gets what it wants. Microsoft, when compared with Apple, for one, has certainly tried at least to address feedback over the years, even when it's been slow. The Windows ecosystem is about as open and flexible as one could want. It's definitely not a "you will become one with the Borg" setting, that's for sure.

You also hear a lot more about Microsoft's issues, which are plenty, because there are so many more users out there. But what you seldom hear about is how often "issues" cannot honestly be laid at the foot of Microsoft. I'm constantly having to present this reality on a number of venues, particularly a number of blind and low-vision technology groups I haunt. When an update goes out to hundreds of thousands to millions of computers, and almost no one is reporting problems, but you are having some, that immediately suggests that the issue lies with something idiosyncratic about your computer. Real bugs, and heaven knows they do sometimes make it out to the wild, in updates generally hit anyone who applies them. The Outlook burp the other day being a perfect example. But if your computer (for any you) is giving you fits after a given update, but not a single one of your friends/relatives/acquaintances is having the same problem(s) you are, and they've applied the same update(s) you have, it's not likely Microsoft that's at fault.
 
I'd offer it's Microsoft's fault when their forced updates trash what was, right up to that point, a properly working machine doing exactly what was asked of it. I have multiple MS certs, a few years of experience and am actually quite the MS fanboy, but in my personal and professional opinion, Windows 10 is simply out of (our) control with this silliness. I am far from luddite, but latest and greatest is not always best FOR EVERYONE. The cycle lately seems to be largely "let's add some way cool features (way cool for whom would be a whole 'nother argument)... oh, we broke something.... let's release a patch to fix what we broke... damn, fixed what we broke but broke something else.... OK, here's a patch for the patch... etc"

There's much validity to your arguments. Apple has, from day one, taken the stance that "We say it will work, it will work. No need to tinker under the hood - we got this". As long as you're willing to fork over the money and what you want to do falls within the capabilities of their mostly closed system - Apple stuff rocks. Step outside that zone, though, and the value of the PC/MS world becomes apparent. But after all these years of MS being adaptable to so many disparate and esoteric applications, MS seems intent on controlling all things like Apple has from the start. That ship has sailed, but the battle for control of what we foolishly tend to believe is OUR computers rages on.
 
That ship has sailed, but the battle for control of what we foolishly tend to believe is OUR computers rages on.

Yep, that ship has sailed. And I long ago made the distinction between my computer and their operating system, which I use under their terms (for any them that creates an operating system).

I'm also the contrarian with regard to automatic updates. Maybe I've led some kind of weird existence, but in my decades as a tech most of the worst disasters I've had to mop up after were never the result of so-called "bad updates" but secondary to people believing "Joe down the street" when he spouted nonsense and convinced them to cease all updates and patches, and they did so, eventually resulting in a computing house of cards that collapsed. I saw that again and again and again in settings where the computer owners were also the computer administrators. Seldom in businesses with professional IT departments, because those never fail to apply updates as they come out, even if there's a brief waiting period so that they aren't part of any "shake out cruise" that sometimes (and only sometimes) occurs.

I have also learned that no one knows better than those who developed and maintain any given operating system regarding what needs to be done in order to keep it in peak operating condition for the vast majority of their user base. That's their job, their mission, and their goal. There will always be the occasional "crash and burn" situations for a very small minority of users as part of attempting to do that. There are just so many things that end users can (and do) screw up via doing things like registry hacks, using registry cleaners, and the list goes on and on. The tendency to believe, "I know better," and also to refuse to leave well enough alone is just so strong for some users. Every time I read about something like someone removing Edge from Windows 10 I cringe. If you don't want to use it, don't use it, it's very simple. But if you took great pains to purge every trace of Edge (or at least original Edge) from Windows 10 you hobble the computer since the EdgeHTML rendering engine is used extensively by Windows 10 itself (and still is even after new Edge is installed - old Edge is made invisible/inaccessible, but it is not removed).

I don't consider myself a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch, but I've also learned that unless you (any you) are one of the developers of Windows at Microsoft the probability that you know better than they do is virtually zero. And I'd even say that most developers are focused on specific modules in the OS. We long ago ceased, with any operating system, to have any one individual who "knows all there is to know" about every nook and cranny of the thing.

The experiences, both personal and observed, of people doing as their told by those charged with maintaining the OS with regard to OS updates, versus those who won't, make me very strongly favor the former approach.
 
I have some customers that are fed up with Microsoft and all the problems with breaking printing bugs preventing boot to a whole number of Office and outlook issues i am getting calls about what alternatives they could use saying it is not Microsoft`s fault is just not true they are cutting corners in testing to save money plain and simple.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...-crashes-deletes-mails-for-some-pop-accounts/


The latest security patches broke the security features of windows 10 sandbox and defender most people have not noticed yet until the try opening them.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...a-fix-for-windows-10-sandbox-failing-to-open/

And when i read stuff like this it makes me wonder if they even check that code works on different cpu`s.
https://windowsreport.com/insiders-cant-install-build-20175/

Also there are a number of bugs with Outlook which are still not fixed sometimes it takes forever for outlook to open it is still around i get lots of calls about it from impatient customers.
this is the fix...
https://windowsreport.com/outlook-ue-v-startup-issue/

Then with 2004 there are a huge amount of bugs one which i get calls for is the sync issues with one drive you have to edit the registry to fix.

Why all the bugs simple the Linux kernel that they are putting into windows 10 they have to re-code lots of io stack and networking stack it was not tested properly.

I have had customer laptops very few desktops that got bricked after a windows update i had one b450 system had windows update issue i fixed it started installing updates after last update restart it bricked the system no post tried bios clr and new power supply and ram now i have to rma.
 
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