Google a one hit wonder?

[MobileTechie]

Interesting to read an alternative to the Google hype:

http://www.winsupersite.com/live/google_no.asp

 

[ProTech Support]

He makes some really great points in that post. Guess you get so caught up in the Google hype, you never really step back and look at it like that. Thanks for posting the article, I enjoyed it.

 

[MrUnknown]

I love the alternative views and he is right, Google really does have a limited amount of applications that are popular or work.

Even GMail. I love it. However, its interface looks like it should have a few <blink> tags. It is effective and simple, but it isn't pretty and looks play a major part of how fun something is to use. I normally only get as close as an IMAP connection to my gmail account now.

Similar thing to Calendar which I think has a decent UI, but I just sync it too all of my devices and applications and add entries through them. I never use it.

And ProTech, you need to launch your damn hosting. lol.

 

[RemoteGeek]

Great article thanks

 

[ATTech]

I don't think Google is looking for the exchange killer, the office killer or any other Microsoft killer, and I think this guy assumes that they are trying for that. Google makes money as an advertising company. They write programs because they can, but they are not a software company.

Regardless, I'd take my Android over any WinMo phone anyday.

Also, "SuperSite for Windows" doesn't exactly scream impartiality. If I was reading an article "Windows Sucks" from googlerules.com, I'd also take caution.

 

[dbdawn]

very interesting


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[ProTech Support]

And ProTech, you need to launch your damn hosting. lol.

Not to hi-jack, just wanted to comment real quick. Has been a project from hell to say the least. Everything is ready from a technical stand point, but I have been stressing customer support very hard. My business partner basically backed out last minute and I am not comfortable launching knowing I cannot provide customer support during the day.

 

[iptech]

I don't think Google is looking for the exchange killer, the office killer or any other Microsoft killer, and I think this guy assumes that they are trying for that. Google makes money as an advertising company. They write programs because they can, but they are not a software company.

Regardless, I'd take my Android over any WinMo phone anyday.

Also, "SuperSite for Windows" doesn't exactly scream impartiality. If I was reading an article "Windows Sucks" from googlerules.com, I'd also take caution.

Paul Thurrott's 'Supersite' has been around for many years - back to the heady days of Windows 3.1 and the dawn of the World Wide Web. He is highly respected for his insight and appraisal of Microsoft's software. He will criticise and comment negatively on Microsoft's products where he thinks it's due.

I think Paul makes a valuable case for Microsoft, the information technology business history is littered with good ideas that basically failed, or are close to failing because they did not support a viable business model. Ten years ago Yahoo! where at the top of the tree and had hundreds of millions of dollars invested in them simply because everyone had heard of them and most Internet users then used them - but this had very little in the way of revenue stream, whilst the advertising revenue streams might have increased for Google it's still no where near enough to support their ambitions for dominance of 'The Cloud', even if it were it would be unlikely that advertisers would be willing to stump-up the cost for software unless there's significant advertising exposure for them. It's my guess that Microsoft's 'free' Office 2010 which feature advertising banners, will not get much market share - certainly not amongst the core business and corporate users.

No matter how well known they are, no business can survive without adequate income.

 

[Redtech1]

The writer of the article also is under the assumption that google is targeting business clients like Microsoft does. (yes 40million clients but how many of those 40million all work for the same company!).

Google makes their money off google ads and everything else they do is to promote their name/branding to make people want to advertise with them more. They have a coined cultural phrase when wanting to know about something we ask "did you google it".

 

[iptech]

The writer of the article also is under the assumption that google is targeting business clients like Microsoft does. (yes 40million clients but how many of those 40million all work for the same company!).

Google makes their money off google ads and everything else they do is to promote their name/branding to make people want to advertise with them more. They have a coined cultural phrase when wanting to know about something we ask "did you google it".

I've still got my "Do you Yahoo!" t-shirt, twelve years ago most computer users did; today they Google, tomorrow they'll Bing?

 

[Redtech1]

That is true, people still use yahoo, it may not be AS big but it still is a company and still making money (minus all their bad investments ect the past couple of years).

Some of it does come down to your target audience too. I think google is aiming at home users while microsoft is aiming for business users. Google sells ads (from businesses) for home users/clients to see. The more you get those home users using your services the more ads you can put out the more you can charge for them.

Plus yahoo was an ISP, ISP's (like AOL/Yahoo/Juno ect) are dying IMO you have people switching to highspeed providers (Cox/comcast/verizion ect). Most of the OLD ISP's going out where built around a dial up business model not a high speed model. We work in IT, it changes, we should not be surprised when companies come look good and die 3-5 years later when they fail to adapt.

Googles real test will be coming in the next year or two to see how well they adapt to the changing enviroment of computing. It is interesting Cox is atleast scared of google's ISP. They are changing/upgrading their infrastructure (at least that is what their rep/techs who i talk to say whether it is true or not is debateable).

 

[iptech]

Plus yahoo was an ISP, ISP's (like AOL/Yahoo/Juno ect) are dying IMO you have people switching to highspeed providers (Cox/comcast/verizion ect). Most of the OLD ISP's going out where built around a dial up business model not a high speed model. We work in IT, it changes, we should not be surprised when companies come look good and die 3-5 years later when they fail to adapt.

Yahoo! were only an ISP in name, they only sold dial-up internet service provision under their brand name, in the UK the actual services is provided by BT. I worked for Yahoo! (BT) in 1999 when they launched their Yahoo! online service. It was far from successful and cost them dearly and the service went on to be know as BT Yahoo! where BT used yahoo!'s online email and information portal services.

A couple of years ago, Microsoft made an unsuccessful bid to buy the much declined Yahoo! What's they betting that somewhere within Microsoft they are one day planning the overthrow of Google when the 'free' party's over and the company is desperate for cash?

 

[almightybunghole]

Well, I've got bad news for those of you hoping for a fight. That battle, alas, is already over. And it is Microsoft, not Google, that walked away victorious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_margin

Profit margin, net margin, net profit margin or net profit ratio all refer to a measure of profitability. It is calculated by finding the net profit as a percentage of the revenue.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft
Profit Margin (ttm): 29.03%

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=GOOG
Profit Margin (ttm): 28.30%

I'm not asserting for a second that profit defines "victory" or whatever people like to declare these days, but well, I don't get it.

Black is the winning color because I like it and I think it wins. Let us now debate this assertion. Please cite some sources and we'll debate this for a few pages, eventually reaching a conclusion and consensus where people actually modify their viewpoints about minor differences in the business models of multi-national corporations because I typed it on ze internetz wakka wakka wakka.

Would you like the... spatula?

 

[3 More Years]

Very interesting article. I was debating something similar with a non tech friend who is frustrated with search results.

 

[iptech]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_margin


http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=msft
Profit Margin (ttm): 29.03%

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=GOOG
Profit Margin (ttm): 28.30%

I'm not asserting for a second that profit defines "victory" or whatever people like to declare these days, but well, I don't get it.

Black is the winning color because I like it and I think it wins. Let us now debate this assertion. Please cite some sources and we'll debate this for a few pages, eventually reaching a conclusion and consensus where people actually modify their viewpoints about minor differences in the business models of multi-national corporations because I typed it on ze internetz wakka wakka wakka.

Would you like the... spatula?

I'm not sure if you even understand what you're trying to say. I haven't a clue.

 

[itmike]

I don't think people really percieve how dominant google has become in such a short time period, especially the younger generation. I mean they are the most used search engine these days. Their phones are growing rapidly as well as their internet browser. Which they don't make alot of money off of these products but they do make some especially with the phones. They do alot of these things because they can. They are in the advertising business and that popularity makes them one of the premier people to advertise with. I mean look at this forum, where do all the techs want to be on? The first page if not the first result for computer repair in their area on google. Most don't ask how do I get to the first result on bing, yahoo, or search engines in general. With me getting an android phone it's like google runs my life, lol. If I need to go to a client it is google navigation, my contacts are on google, my main email is handled through google, and even my calendar is handled by them.

 

[Blues]

The article is primarily about Cloud computing something many people thought of as being dominated by Google. The two key facts to me are that MS started in cloud computing after Google and has more users and all of their paying vs the bulk of Google users being free and fewer.

 

[ATTech]

The article is primarily about Cloud computing something many people thought of as being dominated by Google. The two key facts to me are that MS started in cloud computing after Google and has more users and all of their paying vs the bulk of Google users being free and fewer.

Which is understandable being that Microsoft is a software company and Google is an advertising company. The company that specifically creates software and charges for said software has a much better chance at dominating the market.

The article may have been primarily about cloud computing, but the undertone to it was that Google's business model sucks and that they will be failing soon. That's what a few people on here are disputing.

 

[Blues]

I took it more as "Google's business model sucks if they plan to move beyond advertising and will fail as things stand in those other markets unless they change"

 

[hondablaster]

Deleted: LOL I didn't realize that there was 2 pages of discussion rendering my statement void.