Employee bonus/commissions?

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So I have 2 techs working for me and when I had a commission system they did pretty good until they ****** me off one day and I stopped giving commissions.

I would like to give them the drive to earn more by extra effort but can't quite figure out the science and right percentage.

Do any business owners out there give commissions?

I can't give credit to one tech for a job since sometimes one finishes another's work. I can't give them a credit for selling the job since I sell most of the jobs. I would hate to deal with a super complicated calculation or give them percentage from my jobs either.

To be or not to be....
 
In my day job (not tech related), we have 2 technicians, me and the main tech. No matter who schedules, sells, or does anything else on a job, the technician assigned the task of completing it gets 5% commission on the job. If he helps me at my job, he gets no commission. If I help him, I get no commission. It all comes out in the end, and neither of us have ever complained about it.
 
Thank you guys!

How about when the sale includes parts?

Maybe it's a $1200 custom computer with $350 margin. Do I still give 5% or do I calculate margin each time?
 
Thank you guys!

How about when the sale includes parts?

Maybe it's a $1200 custom computer with $350 margin. Do I still give 5% or do I calculate margin each time?

I am going to preface this by saying that I still have not even opened my doors (1 June!!! Getting closer!) and I am still probably 5 years or so from hiring my first customer, but I can tell you how my day job does this. Commission on anything small, such as parts is not given. It is given for work completed by the technicians, and it is given for large items. In our case, I am talking about $10,000 purchases, where the store makes $3,000 or so, I will make a little of that. With only $350 markup on a computer, it really makes no sense to give commission on it. Let's assume it takes 45 minutes to figure out all the options the customer needs. You have paid the guy let's say $18 for that. Then, it takes another 30 minutes to order all the correct parts. $9. When the computer comes in, let's assume another 3 hours to get everything installed, transferred over from old computer, etc... $54. You have paid the guy $81 to sell this computer already. Which means you only make $269 on it to cover your overhead, his social security/medicare costs, etc.

Your own business though may decide it is worth it. To each their own.
 
So I have 2 techs working for me and when I had a commission system they did pretty good until they ****** me off one day and I stopped giving commissions.

I would like to give them the drive to earn more by extra effort but can't quite figure out the science and right percentage.

Do any business owners out there give commissions?

I can't give credit to one tech for a job since sometimes one finishes another's work. I can't give them a credit for selling the job since I sell most of the jobs. I would hate to deal with a super complicated calculation or give them percentage from my jobs either.

To be or not to be....

I've tried about everything and commission was a big PITA for many reasons. No one wants to work on 100% commissions as they have bills to pay and don't want to assume the risk of ownership. So now they want a base salary plus commission. Well that can be real unfare to you if you are not careful. Then you have the issue of who and how to delineate the commission among your employees. We gets what lead? You find one guys gets all the jobs and the other guy bitches as his salary is $100 less.

Then their is the 1-2 hrs each week extra it takes to calculate payroll and over time has to be paid on commissions toooooo....I found this out the hard way.

I would not even consider a commission unless I could not be in the store. If I could be in the store, just keep them busy. Else forget about it.

If you cannot be in the store then get a manager and pay them to keep them busy and still forget the commissions.

The closest model that works for our industry that I have seen is the auto repair Service writer who sells the work and the mechanic who gets only hourly pay to preform it. When the company hits $1200 per day maybe everyone gets $20 extra in their check the first time. Then raise it to $1300 for $20 and then raise it to $1400...each time you hit a new service only (not hardware sales) level give a bonus for the guys doing a good job.

In the end for me it was to have a good manager ( a women if you can find one) and she keeps the guys working. Then pay a flat hourly, minimize over time.

We bought a 12 pack of soda for each employee each week so they woudln't need to leave for breaks....Smoking off site outside but I avoid smokers as the worst productive employees you will ever find.

Crackys work the best but all your tools and some customers computers will disappear....:)
Smokers will take 10 or 15 breaks a day when you are not looking they are totally worthless. Never hire a smoker. If you do hire them for $2 per hour less than anyone else.

if you do try to do a commission then I would work it like this: I would pay minimum wage as base salary and then pay enough so that they could almost double that income with commission. So if $8 is minimum in your state and they fix 5 computers for $12 ea commission then they would earn an extra $60 for that 8 hrs shift. Their pay would be $124 for that 8 hr shift. On days you were slow they might make only 3 computers commission helping you to keep costs down and when you did 6 or 7 computers per tech per day they would make even more. On hardware I don't think i would pay at all as you can move someone from a $200 repair to a $500 sale and make less gross profit on the hardware sale....If you give anything for hardware make it like 2% of hardware sales on complete systems. No reason to pay a commission on video cards, ram and such..

If you keep in inventory larger hard drives, memory upgrades and such then you can try giving a spif to sell those items....IE ok guys till the end of the week I will give $5 (lunch money) to anyone who gets a customer to upgrade either their hard drive or their memory and $15 if you get them to upgrade both...Try and see if it helps. If it does then you can make it part of your commission but try it out first as a weekly sale special.

I had the best luck giving all employees and extra $20 or $50 when we hit a new record for the week in labor sales and for about six months we hit a new high every week. I had two techs and a manager in each store.
 
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Bonus...good for morale, holidays. Lots of people look forward to things like XMas bonuses.

An exceptionally good jobs...landing a really huge client...good to toss a little extra cabbage.

Commissions...for bench techs...probably not as effective.
For those shops that do SMB work...or if you have a sales floor with lots of retail stock, here's where it can work for the benefit of both employee and the business.

With a commission system...the base salary is lower. And you do something like 20% of the GP of the sale that the employee does. This gives the employee some control over how much they make. If they want a pay raise..a bigger pay check...it's easy..."work harder, sell more!" I started out this way myself many years ago when I got hired by a franchise of the ComputerLand chain. This was like 18 or so years ago....whenever Windows 95B was on the market. I left a job at a point of sale software shop and negotiated a deal to work for ComputerLand...and the end result was a base salary of...oh I think it was $24,000.00....plus 20% of the GP whatever I sold/billed. For sales of stuff on the retail floor that ComputerLand had...didn't add up to much. Selling mice, software, monitors, eh...pocket change. But when I was selling service jobs...and especially when we got on the SMB bandwagon and started doing Small Business networks...selling myself at...way back then I think we were $85.00/hour...and billing 10 or 20 hours a week. And then getting huge setup jobs...I landed a few short term jobs where I'd be billing 10 grand a month! So back then it was pretty easy as an employee, with a fairly free time clock...in charge of his own hours, to make over 50k/year. So that base pay of (back then) 24k/year...plus making 20% of the GP of sales...could give a pretty good paycheck.

That system worked so well I carried it over to where I am now...it's the same principle that my current paycheck is based on.
 
I give 10% commission on service billed by the tech. In-shop and on-site.
Busy times can really inflate their hourly wage average which I'm okay with because that means I'm bringing in more revenue. When more than one tech works on an ticket, the commission is split 50/50 no questions asked. They will sometimes require assistance from one another which is what I want.

Example. Lets say you pay a tech $20/hr. They bill out $792 in a day. They averaged $29/hr that day. Simples.
 
I give 10% commission on service billed by the tech. In-shop and on-site.
Busy times can really inflate their hourly wage average which I'm okay with because that means I'm bringing in more revenue. When more than one tech works on an ticket, the commission is split 50/50 no questions asked. They will sometimes require assistance from one another which is what I want.

Example. Lets say you pay a tech $20/hr. They bill out $792 in a day. They averaged $29/hr that day. Simples.

So you have two techs pay $29 per hour 8 hrs ea and that comes to $480 leaving $300 for your salary and pay all advertising, bookkeeping, insurance, rent and overhead?

I do not see how this works at all?
 
So you have two techs pay $29 per hour 8 hrs ea and that comes to $480 leaving $300 for your salary and pay all advertising, bookkeeping, insurance, rent and overhead?

I do not see how this works at all?

I'd assume that he has additional sources of income. Possibly sales of hardware. Possibly monthly MSP type steady incomes. Possibly some SMB onsite engineers bringing in the big bucks doing server/network onsites.
 
Before I go into anything, I will say this. As soon as I started to pay commission, my profits nearly doubled.

We pay hourly plus commission. Commission is only for up-sales on additional services, upgraded parts and retail. So for instance, If someone comes in our shop for a virus removal, screen replacement, power jack repair, whatever, and my tech or receptionist up-sells them a tune-up (or virus removal and or tune-up if not coming in for virus removal) then they get 10% for the up-sell service. Obviously, they do not get commission on services that the customer originally came in for or initially needed. An example would be, if a customer comes in for a virus removal, but the repairs end up being a HDD replacement, then there is no commission even if the HDD replacement does cost more than the virus removal. So, in short, we give a 10% commission on ADDITIONAL services to the original services rendered. Also, it does not matter who works on what computer, what matters who sold the additional services. Those who can sell, get paid hourly plus commission. Those who can't sell get paid hourly.

As for parts, If a customer is wanting to do a HDD replacement, then there is no commission if they get a standard hard drive installed, regardless of size. But, if my techs up-sell a hybrid HDD or SSD drive, then there is commission on the additional profits made. For this, we have a chart --or we did, it has not been updated in a while. Also, any additional upgrades like graphics cards or memory upgrades constitute an up-sell. Commission structure is basically 10% on the service (like graphics card install) and 5% on upgraded parts.

We also give a 5% commission on retail. The same rules applies. If the customer specifically comes in for a retail item (except laptops), then there is no commission on those items, but if my receptionist or tech up-sells them a more expensive item or more items, then they get the commission. Our techs and receptionist also must sell at least $200 of retail in a given pay period in order to receive any commission. The biggest area that we see this in is our AV up-sells. I make an extra 1 to 2 k a month on those up-sales alone.

That may all sound confusing, but trust me, it works and it is worth the effort. Some of this stuff you will have to do on an honor system. For the most part, most everyone gets up-sold a tune-up, virus removal and tune-up, and or AV. For me, thats an additional $50 to $250 per customer -- multiply that by 100+ a month and that is a lot of money. My experience is that if you hire your techs based on personality, then your techs will make you tons of money.
 
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So I'm guessing they turn in a paper to you every pay period detailing what commission they have earned?
 
So I'm guessing they turn in a paper to you every pay period detailing what commission they have earned?

Yes, we have a spread sheet time sheet that calculates hours, mileage and commission that they turn in at the end of the pay period.
 
So for instance, If someone comes in our shop for a virus removal, screen replacement, power jack repair, whatever, and my tech or receptionist up-sells them a tune-up (or virus removal and or tune-up if not coming in for virus removal) then they get 10% for the up-sell service.

Selling a virus removal when they don't really need one is not really an up sell, is it ? I mean its really something else.
I mean I could tell my customers the ad ware on their machine is a virus and get an extra $89 for every machine in the door. ;)
 
Selling a virus removal when they don't really need one is not really an up sell, is it ? I mean its really something else.
I mean I could tell my customers the ad ware on their machine is a virus and get an extra $89 for every machine in the door. ;)

Jimbo, one thing I do not tolerate here is shadiness or scamming. If my techs ever did as you suggested, they would be fired immediately, and they know it. They are required to save the virus logs for both myself and my customers. Also, since I still work in the shop most days, they also bring it to my attention before they even call the customer. Again, the commission is not based on who does what work, the commission is based on who sold what services. So even if someone did up-sell a virus removal, if the computer did not actually need one, then it would come to someones attention and one of my other techs would say something to me, if I had not noticed myself.

That said, most everyone at least needs a tune-up, if not a virus removal as well, and most can certainly use a better AV. These are all practical needs that can easily be up-sold.
 
So you have two techs pay $29 per hour 8 hrs ea and that comes to $480 leaving $300 for your salary and pay all advertising, bookkeeping, insurance, rent and overhead?

I do not see how this works at all?

Sorry I was not clear on this. In my example, one tech bills out $792 in service only in a day which would give him a $79.20 commission plus his $20/hr wage. This leaves me with $552 before expenses.

I would not employ two techs if I only had $800 per day in service income.

My 50/50 split was only to answer how I would deal with two techs working on the same ticket when you pay service commission.
 
Sorry I was not clear on this. In my example, one tech bills out $792 in service only in a day which would give him a $79.20 commission plus his $20/hr wage. This leaves me with $552 before expenses.

I would not employ two techs if I only had $800 per day in service income.

My 50/50 split was only to answer how I would deal with two techs working on the same ticket when you pay service commission.

I got it. Right on.
 
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