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		<title>By: Luis Pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/video-podcast-how-to-remove-a-virus-without-an-antivirus-scanner/comment-page-1/#comment-8871</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce... are you 100% sure you don&#039;t have to restart the computer after turning off system restore in order for the computer to delete the past &quot;snapshots&quot; of the computer? that&#039;s what I do, turn system restore off, then reboot, then after the reboot turn it back on.

And great video podcast!! enjoy your site very much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce&#8230; are you 100% sure you don&#8217;t have to restart the computer after turning off system restore in order for the computer to delete the past &#8220;snapshots&#8221; of the computer? that&#8217;s what I do, turn system restore off, then reboot, then after the reboot turn it back on.</p>
<p>And great video podcast!! enjoy your site very much!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>continued...

Also, a great trick to remove files loaded by winlogon.exe (from HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Notify) is to terminate winlogon.exe because sometimes you can&#039;t remove the file handles in place to the malware.  Unfortunately terminating winlogon.exe will crash your system with a blue screen.  So first, terminate smss.exe, THEN terminate winlogon.exe, and problem solved.  Better terminate explorer.exe too for it&#039;s handles to other potential malware, and might as well use a 3rd party file manager.  

You can get around all file/directory/registry permissions by using a WinPE based boot CD, but if you don&#039;t want to go that route, you can try my own completely free no-ad/no-nags app GetSystem.exe from FoolishIT.com which launches an application under system rights.  It can also launch explorer.exe as a shell.  System rights are essentially better than administrator rights, ignoring permissions for one thing...  Note my website is probably down right now I just revamped it, moved it, etc. etc.  but try back later.  

As for the person commenting on using safe mode, in my experience that&#039;s only good for stopping network activity.  Some malware will implant itself as a service of course, but sometimes it will also start in safe mode (yes services can start in safe mode, for a list of which ones do, check HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot\Minimal and HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot\Network for Safe mode with networking.  These are pointers to the service names back in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services.  

That&#039;s about all I have time for at the moment.  Just some things to think about.  Keep up the great work!</description>
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<p>Also, a great trick to remove files loaded by winlogon.exe (from HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\Notify) is to terminate winlogon.exe because sometimes you can&#8217;t remove the file handles in place to the malware.  Unfortunately terminating winlogon.exe will crash your system with a blue screen.  So first, terminate smss.exe, THEN terminate winlogon.exe, and problem solved.  Better terminate explorer.exe too for it&#8217;s handles to other potential malware, and might as well use a 3rd party file manager.  </p>
<p>You can get around all file/directory/registry permissions by using a WinPE based boot CD, but if you don&#8217;t want to go that route, you can try my own completely free no-ad/no-nags app GetSystem.exe from FoolishIT.com which launches an application under system rights.  It can also launch explorer.exe as a shell.  System rights are essentially better than administrator rights, ignoring permissions for one thing&#8230;  Note my website is probably down right now I just revamped it, moved it, etc. etc.  but try back later.  </p>
<p>As for the person commenting on using safe mode, in my experience that&#8217;s only good for stopping network activity.  Some malware will implant itself as a service of course, but sometimes it will also start in safe mode (yes services can start in safe mode, for a list of which ones do, check HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot\Minimal and HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot\Network for Safe mode with networking.  These are pointers to the service names back in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s about all I have time for at the moment.  Just some things to think about.  Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work on the video and the website, I have learned from areas on this site and in return wish to share some knowledge of mine in this area.  You are missing a lot of info on techniques that modern malware might incorporate; perhaps too much to include in the video.  I just wanted to point out a few things if you and your readers will bend your ear.  

Wow, I&#039;ve not known anyone but myself to check the file modified dates in \windows and system32.  But two things:  1.  Also check system32\drivers, you can flush out some malware that installs itself as a driver here a lot easier than peering into the registry or via a 3rd party util.  2.  Some malware, while having a file with the most recent date, will create copies of itself with random date/time stamps or those matching other windows core files.  It can be time consuming but you can cross reference each malware file you find via the time/date stamp method by then sorting by size and checking file size down to the byte.  

Also, many times malware can modify a core windows file (e.g. userinit.exe) or replace it entirely with it&#039;s own code.  SFC may be of some help, other times you&#039;ll find yourself comparing file versions (I&#039;ve never seen malware spoof company info in the file though I would expect to anyday.  

Of course the previously mentioned program files is a given.  

But then there&#039;s the registry.  Even autoruns.exe won&#039;t find the Windows value in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\SubSystems which can sometimes contain some malware spoof like basesrv64.dll or some other such nonsense, many times putting a 32 or 64 on the end of an otherwise legitimate file name as seen in other areas.  

Additionally there is one easy way to constantly reinfect.  The default value of HKCR\exefile\shell\open\command is &quot;%1&quot; %* normally, (%1 runs the file, %* passes any parameters you pass to the exe) can be replace by say &quot;%1&quot; &quot;C:\windows\system32\killer.exe&quot; %* or anything like that.  This way, each time you (or windows) starts a new EXE, the killer app is launched.  This can also happen with .COM, .CMD, .BAT, and .REG files for importing which normally contain regedit.exe %1 as a value... among other keys.  You can prepare a registry file to merge containing default entries for these keys, but again if either the exefile or regfile key is infected you are SOL unless you load the registry from another machine, a linux boot cd, or winpe based boot cd (which is how I prefer to work if time allows, so that I don&#039;t have anything hidden from normal tools via rootkit.)  Also worthy of note is that reglite from resplendence has an amazing ability to see things rootkits and other restricted keys unlike any other 3rd party registry editor.  Regdelnull is a good util to use in a batch file and......

Well there&#039;s just so much to cover with the registry....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work on the video and the website, I have learned from areas on this site and in return wish to share some knowledge of mine in this area.  You are missing a lot of info on techniques that modern malware might incorporate; perhaps too much to include in the video.  I just wanted to point out a few things if you and your readers will bend your ear.  </p>
<p>Wow, I&#8217;ve not known anyone but myself to check the file modified dates in \windows and system32.  But two things:  1.  Also check system32\drivers, you can flush out some malware that installs itself as a driver here a lot easier than peering into the registry or via a 3rd party util.  2.  Some malware, while having a file with the most recent date, will create copies of itself with random date/time stamps or those matching other windows core files.  It can be time consuming but you can cross reference each malware file you find via the time/date stamp method by then sorting by size and checking file size down to the byte.  </p>
<p>Also, many times malware can modify a core windows file (e.g. userinit.exe) or replace it entirely with it&#8217;s own code.  SFC may be of some help, other times you&#8217;ll find yourself comparing file versions (I&#8217;ve never seen malware spoof company info in the file though I would expect to anyday.  </p>
<p>Of course the previously mentioned program files is a given.  </p>
<p>But then there&#8217;s the registry.  Even autoruns.exe won&#8217;t find the Windows value in HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\SubSystems which can sometimes contain some malware spoof like basesrv64.dll or some other such nonsense, many times putting a 32 or 64 on the end of an otherwise legitimate file name as seen in other areas.  </p>
<p>Additionally there is one easy way to constantly reinfect.  The default value of HKCR\exefile\shell\open\command is &#8220;%1&#8243; %* normally, (%1 runs the file, %* passes any parameters you pass to the exe) can be replace by say &#8220;%1&#8243; &#8220;C:\windows\system32\killer.exe&#8221; %* or anything like that.  This way, each time you (or windows) starts a new EXE, the killer app is launched.  This can also happen with .COM, .CMD, .BAT, and .REG files for importing which normally contain regedit.exe %1 as a value&#8230; among other keys.  You can prepare a registry file to merge containing default entries for these keys, but again if either the exefile or regfile key is infected you are SOL unless you load the registry from another machine, a linux boot cd, or winpe based boot cd (which is how I prefer to work if time allows, so that I don&#8217;t have anything hidden from normal tools via rootkit.)  Also worthy of note is that reglite from resplendence has an amazing ability to see things rootkits and other restricted keys unlike any other 3rd party registry editor.  Regdelnull is a good util to use in a batch file and&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Well there&#8217;s just so much to cover with the registry&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent podcast Bryce. Keep up the good work. I think these podcasts are a fantastic addition to the site. Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent podcast Bryce. Keep up the good work. I think these podcasts are a fantastic addition to the site. Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Caley Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caley Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce,

Very nice video. I tend to follow about the exact same steps. I just wanted to leave a comment for anyone fighting any of the various Scareware apps such as Antivirus 2009, Spyguard 2008, MS Antispyware 2009, or Antivirus 360. All of the programs stem from the trojan Virtumonde which is a rootkit. 

My wifes laptop was recently (friday) infected with MS Antispyware 2009. After doing just about exactly what Bryce did, I still some funny activity such as Malwarebytes not running and firefox randomly closing. I ran ComboFix which detected the dll files from the rootkit. ComboFix at this point wants to reboot in order to delete the malicious DLL&#039;s.

After a reboot and ComboFix trashing the DLL&#039;s I was able to run Malwarebytes and finishing cleaning the laptop.

I hope this helps someone in the future.

Bryce, I have just found this site and I have to say, it is refreshing to find someone on the same knowledge level. I would enjoy chatting with you further if you could e-mail me sometime. caleyDOTw AT gmail DOT COM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce,</p>
<p>Very nice video. I tend to follow about the exact same steps. I just wanted to leave a comment for anyone fighting any of the various Scareware apps such as Antivirus 2009, Spyguard 2008, MS Antispyware 2009, or Antivirus 360. All of the programs stem from the trojan Virtumonde which is a rootkit. </p>
<p>My wifes laptop was recently (friday) infected with MS Antispyware 2009. After doing just about exactly what Bryce did, I still some funny activity such as Malwarebytes not running and firefox randomly closing. I ran ComboFix which detected the dll files from the rootkit. ComboFix at this point wants to reboot in order to delete the malicious DLL&#8217;s.</p>
<p>After a reboot and ComboFix trashing the DLL&#8217;s I was able to run Malwarebytes and finishing cleaning the laptop.</p>
<p>I hope this helps someone in the future.</p>
<p>Bryce, I have just found this site and I have to say, it is refreshing to find someone on the same knowledge level. I would enjoy chatting with you further if you could e-mail me sometime. caleyDOTw AT gmail DOT COM</p>
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		<title>By: Cathie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  I love this site. Thanks so much for all your information.  I find it so helpful.  I have a tech support business in Calgary, Alberta Canada and do a lot of spyware and virus removal.  I&#039;ve been using Malwarebytes and SDFix and Combofix, which are quite effective.  I like AVG but find it doesn&#039;t do to well with some of the worst spyware. It&#039;s better in tandem with some of the more potent anti-spyware.   

Anyway this video really helps me put together and  take anti-malware to a higher level.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  I love this site. Thanks so much for all your information.  I find it so helpful.  I have a tech support business in Calgary, Alberta Canada and do a lot of spyware and virus removal.  I&#8217;ve been using Malwarebytes and SDFix and Combofix, which are quite effective.  I like AVG but find it doesn&#8217;t do to well with some of the worst spyware. It&#8217;s better in tandem with some of the more potent anti-spyware.   </p>
<p>Anyway this video really helps me put together and  take anti-malware to a higher level.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Miami Setai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miami Setai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the podcast! I was trying to explain a friend how to do exactly that, but doing this over skype, not being able to actually point her in the right direction proved to be HARD. Hopefully she&#039;ll manage now, with your help! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the podcast! I was trying to explain a friend how to do exactly that, but doing this over skype, not being able to actually point her in the right direction proved to be HARD. Hopefully she&#8217;ll manage now, with your help! <img src='http://www.technibble.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hacker Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hacker Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manually removal is the way to go.  For me it seems to go faster if you just nip it in the butt yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manually removal is the way to go.  For me it seems to go faster if you just nip it in the butt yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Fahad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fahad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice podcast. You explained it really well. This will definitely save time when removing small viruses as you do not have to install an antivirus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice podcast. You explained it really well. This will definitely save time when removing small viruses as you do not have to install an antivirus.</p>
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		<title>By: Remote Computer Repair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remote Computer Repair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool stuff. I enjoyed how detailed it was. Pet peeve is when folks don&#039;t include enough info when they make videos or write articles etc..., but this was well done! 

Thanks Bryce!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool stuff. I enjoyed how detailed it was. Pet peeve is when folks don&#8217;t include enough info when they make videos or write articles etc&#8230;, but this was well done! </p>
<p>Thanks Bryce!!!</p>
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