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		<title>By: ordi_secours</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/the-problem-with-getting-good/comment-page-1/#comment-10656</link>
		<dc:creator>ordi_secours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my opinion, I use a decrasing hourly rate; 1st hour $40 (minimum on site) second hour 20 and others hour 15$--... and people are very happy to see problem(s) solved in average of two hours...with a lot of explication,tips... they love to learn...

They easily refer me to their relatives...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my opinion, I use a decrasing hourly rate; 1st hour $40 (minimum on site) second hour 20 and others hour 15$&#8211;&#8230; and people are very happy to see problem(s) solved in average of two hours&#8230;with a lot of explication,tips&#8230; they love to learn&#8230;</p>
<p>They easily refer me to their relatives&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Internet Age</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/the-problem-with-getting-good/comment-page-1/#comment-10450</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Age</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your time is your time, and has to be billed for accordingly. Now if you&#039;re able to complete tasks faster as your experience and expertise grows this means that you&#039;re able to do so much more in a day. Here a flat rate will benefit you from all sides, as effectively you&#039;ll be able to squeeze more hours out of the day. If however you choose to charge per hour, and have enough work, you&#039;ll still be benefitting by being able to get more work out in a day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your time is your time, and has to be billed for accordingly. Now if you&#8217;re able to complete tasks faster as your experience and expertise grows this means that you&#8217;re able to do so much more in a day. Here a flat rate will benefit you from all sides, as effectively you&#8217;ll be able to squeeze more hours out of the day. If however you choose to charge per hour, and have enough work, you&#8217;ll still be benefitting by being able to get more work out in a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech911cfl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tech911cfl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use Flat rate pricing. It gives the clients a predictable clear cut price they will deal with. And since we offer discounts based on the type of combination work we do. We end up getting more work this way and our chances for add-ons increases. Because the original bill didn&#039;t hammer the client to start with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use Flat rate pricing. It gives the clients a predictable clear cut price they will deal with. And since we offer discounts based on the type of combination work we do. We end up getting more work this way and our chances for add-ons increases. Because the original bill didn&#8217;t hammer the client to start with.</p>
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		<title>By: jross</title>
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		<dc:creator>jross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, All kinds of solutions, fixed pricing, raising prices, providing reliable, trustworthy support.

I have one client who doesn&#039;t even look at the bill. He just thanks me for showing up quickly, fixing the problem and briefing him.

It seems that there are a lot of new &quot;Techies&quot; out there in my area also but my business has increased during the last year. These new techs drive total beaters that they then put decals on to advertise their business, they do dumb stuff like call there business Komputer Klinic, and generally don&#039;t know one end of a parallel port printer connection from another. Every now and again I call one of them to see how they sound. I am rarely impressed and spend no time worrying about it. I figure worrying about competing with them is like worrying about competing with WALMART. Nothing beats knowledge, reliability, honesty and a history of solid support. Most of my clients had one of these &quot;techs&quot; before they called me.

I think that many of us who call ourselves techs are actually more on the consulting side. We research solutions, we recommend alternatives and we listen to our clients needs and find a way to serve them. We know there is more than one way to skin a cat and that a solution that works for one client may not work for another. That is worth more.

I constantly struggle with this one and suspect that I should be charging more. I am already more expensive than most techs in my area. I am not sure what the solution is but charging less is not it. Time to head to the forums and see what everyone has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, All kinds of solutions, fixed pricing, raising prices, providing reliable, trustworthy support.</p>
<p>I have one client who doesn&#8217;t even look at the bill. He just thanks me for showing up quickly, fixing the problem and briefing him.</p>
<p>It seems that there are a lot of new &#8220;Techies&#8221; out there in my area also but my business has increased during the last year. These new techs drive total beaters that they then put decals on to advertise their business, they do dumb stuff like call there business Komputer Klinic, and generally don&#8217;t know one end of a parallel port printer connection from another. Every now and again I call one of them to see how they sound. I am rarely impressed and spend no time worrying about it. I figure worrying about competing with them is like worrying about competing with WALMART. Nothing beats knowledge, reliability, honesty and a history of solid support. Most of my clients had one of these &#8220;techs&#8221; before they called me.</p>
<p>I think that many of us who call ourselves techs are actually more on the consulting side. We research solutions, we recommend alternatives and we listen to our clients needs and find a way to serve them. We know there is more than one way to skin a cat and that a solution that works for one client may not work for another. That is worth more.</p>
<p>I constantly struggle with this one and suspect that I should be charging more. I am already more expensive than most techs in my area. I am not sure what the solution is but charging less is not it. Time to head to the forums and see what everyone has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/the-problem-with-getting-good/comment-page-1/#comment-10349</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this article and the biggest thing to realise that that this is a very general post with a simple example. 

The reality of the matter is that as an independant tech you have a bit more flexibility on pricing than when you have employees. 

From a business standpoint I recomend having a very predictable pricing structure for your clients and customers and reserve productivity figures such as rev/hr as a performance measurment. 

We do this with flat rate pricing which is quoted to the client after an assessment is performed. I then measure my employees productivity based on the amount of revenue paid divided by time (Rev/hr)

This gives me a very real way to determine how profitable we are and does not impact our customers should a tech be less experienced or should they run into a more difficult problem than expected. 

Interestingly this is the best way to compete against the budget tech with low rates. There are just so many ways you can position your marketing against the budget tech.

I stongly caution against frequent price changes. Once a price is set with a client then you have a precident with them and a future increase will not be taken well.

By publishing hourly rates you open the door for the budget tech to undercut and the services performed becomes less important than the time taken.

Thanks
Phil Jones
CEO 
Site Tech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this article and the biggest thing to realise that that this is a very general post with a simple example. </p>
<p>The reality of the matter is that as an independant tech you have a bit more flexibility on pricing than when you have employees. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint I recomend having a very predictable pricing structure for your clients and customers and reserve productivity figures such as rev/hr as a performance measurment. </p>
<p>We do this with flat rate pricing which is quoted to the client after an assessment is performed. I then measure my employees productivity based on the amount of revenue paid divided by time (Rev/hr)</p>
<p>This gives me a very real way to determine how profitable we are and does not impact our customers should a tech be less experienced or should they run into a more difficult problem than expected. </p>
<p>Interestingly this is the best way to compete against the budget tech with low rates. There are just so many ways you can position your marketing against the budget tech.</p>
<p>I stongly caution against frequent price changes. Once a price is set with a client then you have a precident with them and a future increase will not be taken well.</p>
<p>By publishing hourly rates you open the door for the budget tech to undercut and the services performed becomes less important than the time taken.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Phil Jones<br />
CEO<br />
Site Tech</p>
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		<title>By: Ayeohx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayeohx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Utah and increasing your rates isn&#039;t a good idea in these parts.  We&#039;re absolutely flooded with amateur techicians charging low wages.  Even some shops have gone down to $35 an hour though the bigger shops are still hanging around the $65 - $75 mark.  I dont like to fudge the numbers but I know a lot of the shops out here do and their work is subpar at best.  It&#039;s incredibly cut-throat in Utah right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Utah and increasing your rates isn&#8217;t a good idea in these parts.  We&#8217;re absolutely flooded with amateur techicians charging low wages.  Even some shops have gone down to $35 an hour though the bigger shops are still hanging around the $65 &#8211; $75 mark.  I dont like to fudge the numbers but I know a lot of the shops out here do and their work is subpar at best.  It&#8217;s incredibly cut-throat in Utah right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what the big deal is ... if the work takes you half the time, then your customers get their computers back twice as fast, and you can fix twice as many computers in a day, resulting in twice as many happy customers telling their friends about you.  

We are busy enough in our shop that we don&#039;t have to worry about temptation of stretching out our work to increase billable hours.  There&#039;s almost always another computer waiting to be worked on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what the big deal is &#8230; if the work takes you half the time, then your customers get their computers back twice as fast, and you can fix twice as many computers in a day, resulting in twice as many happy customers telling their friends about you.  </p>
<p>We are busy enough in our shop that we don&#8217;t have to worry about temptation of stretching out our work to increase billable hours.  There&#8217;s almost always another computer waiting to be worked on.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jojo, going to flat rate is a good idea. Some people on the Technibble forums were talking about it as well.

As for the economy, Australia hasnt been hit anywhere near as hard as parts of the US. Many of my American techie friends are also as busy as ever. I guess it comes down to where you are.

If you are in a place that has been hit hard, then its obviously not a great idea to raise your prices at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jojo, going to flat rate is a good idea. Some people on the Technibble forums were talking about it as well.</p>
<p>As for the economy, Australia hasnt been hit anywhere near as hard as parts of the US. Many of my American techie friends are also as busy as ever. I guess it comes down to where you are.</p>
<p>If you are in a place that has been hit hard, then its obviously not a great idea to raise your prices at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jojo - Whoah buddy calm down there. Step off that high horse just for a sec, bub....

I have to agree with Mathew, I think that by setting a flate rate pricing structure, you allow yourself the liberty of (1) being upfront with your pricing,(2) allowing yourself to make more money as you gain more experience, and (3) motivating yourself to practice and hone your skill instead of being slothful.

There is a tendency to be a little lazier when you charge by the hour because you know in the back of your mind that the longer it takes, the more money you&#039;ll make. You eliminate that temptation by changing to a flat-rate pricing structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jojo &#8211; Whoah buddy calm down there. Step off that high horse just for a sec, bub&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have to agree with Mathew, I think that by setting a flate rate pricing structure, you allow yourself the liberty of (1) being upfront with your pricing,(2) allowing yourself to make more money as you gain more experience, and (3) motivating yourself to practice and hone your skill instead of being slothful.</p>
<p>There is a tendency to be a little lazier when you charge by the hour because you know in the back of your mind that the longer it takes, the more money you&#8217;ll make. You eliminate that temptation by changing to a flat-rate pricing structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...keep raising your rates as your experience grows or your income will decline.&quot;

Sounds like a good argument for flat rate pricing for routine things like virus removal.  

Most customers prefer a flat rate and it eliminates the &quot;moral risk&quot; of inappropriately stretching out an hourly job for personal gain. 

Sure you&#039;ll occasionally get a nasty virus  that takes longer than the norm. But overall you&#039;d be ahead and the customer (from their perspective) always pays the same amount for a given service.

They don&#039;t know (or care) that you&#039;ve given yourself a raise by getting better &amp; quicker at what you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;keep raising your rates as your experience grows or your income will decline.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like a good argument for flat rate pricing for routine things like virus removal.  </p>
<p>Most customers prefer a flat rate and it eliminates the &#8220;moral risk&#8221; of inappropriately stretching out an hourly job for personal gain. </p>
<p>Sure you&#8217;ll occasionally get a nasty virus  that takes longer than the norm. But overall you&#8217;d be ahead and the customer (from their perspective) always pays the same amount for a given service.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t know (or care) that you&#8217;ve given yourself a raise by getting better &amp; quicker at what you do.</p>
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