Comments on: The Ethics Of Key Loggers http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/ A Resource for Computer Repair Technicians & to get PC tech support help. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:59:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: d http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/comment-page-1/#comment-4051 d Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:32:28 +0000 http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/#comment-4051 I stand behind gunslinger's reply 100%. Can you show me a 15 year old kid capable of making the right decisions? Even us adults have a hard time with that. I wrote a keylogger for a project in my Social Implications of Computing class, and came across your site when I searched "keylogger ethics". There are legitimate, ethical, legal uses for keyloggers, but they can easily be used for malicious purposes. As far as parenting goes, I will go any lengths to make sure my daughter stays safe. My house, my computer, my daughter, my rules. I stand behind gunslinger’s reply 100%. Can you show me a 15 year old kid capable of making the right decisions? Even us adults have a hard time with that.

I wrote a keylogger for a project in my Social Implications of Computing class, and came across your site when I searched “keylogger ethics”. There are legitimate, ethical, legal uses for keyloggers, but they can easily be used for malicious purposes.

As far as parenting goes, I will go any lengths to make sure my daughter stays safe.
My house, my computer, my daughter, my rules.

]]> By: gunslinger http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/comment-page-1/#comment-889 gunslinger Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:59:29 +0000 http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/#comment-889 On most issues I agree with you Bryce. On this one however I strongly disagree on many points. You start by saying you are not a parent. I say this in the most respectful way I can, but if you don’t have kids you have no business advising others on how the should raise theirs. “If you’re worried that your child is visiting sites you do not wish them to (and by this I don’t just mean pornographic sites, there are worse things out there!) then sit with them while they use the Internet, and gently steer them in the right direction.” This sounds great but try it while holding down a full time job and having three kids. There is no way you can sit right with your kids all the time while they are online. Next you said: “Of course, there will come a time when they want their privacy, and fully deserve to receive that privacy.” They always want their privacy. They absolutely do not have a right to it nor do they deserve it. As a parent my responsibility is to keep them safe and out of trouble, even if that means spying on them on the net, reading there text messages, reading notes from friends, whatever it takes. My responsibility to keep them safe overrides their privacy period. Let me tell you two true and very personal stories about how having a key logger on my kids computer saved the day a few times. When my step daughter was 14 she was spending a lot of time on the computer doing “homework”. Her mom trusted her because they had already had the safe internet talk. I told my wife that I thought she was up to no good . We say her down and asked her if she was doing anything she was not supposed to be doing on the computer and she said no. I asked my wife if I could install a key logger on the system for just one week, and she agreed just to prove me wrong. Turns out when we viewed the logs she was having cybersex with some 28 year old guy, and planning to meet a 23 year old. My daughter is a good girl, she makes good grades in school and her mom and I have tried to raise her up right. But that is the scary thing. She is a normal girl. Thats the problem, kids cannot make those kinda of choices for themselves at that age. Its the job of the parent to make sure they don’t have to until they are older and can make better choices. My step son is no longer allowed on the computer at all because of downloading porn. He has to use the school computer. As far as other means of spying on the kids, I check their call records regularly. This has also saved the day a few times. When my daughter now 17 dates she does so only with her 14 year old brother and 11 year old sister go with her. In a perfect world without porn, pedophiles, or drugs maybe you could blindly trust kids to make the right choices. Its not and far from it. I’ll go one step further and say if your not keeping up with what your kids do and who they are seeing and talking with both in person and online then you are not fit to be a parent. Maybe if more parents would know what their kids are doing we would have less school shootings, less drug abuse , and less kis having kids. On most issues I agree with you Bryce. On this one however I strongly disagree on many points. You start by saying you are not a parent. I say this in the most respectful way I can, but if you don’t have kids you have no business advising others on how the should raise theirs.
“If you’re worried that your child is visiting sites you do not wish them to (and by this I don’t just mean pornographic sites, there are worse things out there!) then sit with them while they use the Internet, and gently steer them in the right direction.”
This sounds great but try it while holding down a full time job and having three kids. There is no way you can sit right with your kids all the time while they are online.
Next you said: “Of course, there will come a time when they want their privacy, and fully deserve to receive that privacy.”
They always want their privacy. They absolutely do not have a right to it nor do they deserve it. As a parent my responsibility is to keep them safe and out of trouble, even if that means spying on them on the net, reading there text messages, reading notes from friends, whatever it takes. My responsibility to keep them safe overrides their privacy period.
Let me tell you two true and very personal stories about how having a key logger on my kids computer saved the day a few times.
When my step daughter was 14 she was spending a lot of time on the computer doing “homework”. Her mom trusted her because they had already had the safe internet talk. I told my wife that I thought she was up to no good . We say her down and asked her if she was doing anything she was not supposed to be doing on the computer and she said no. I asked my wife if I could install a key logger on the system for just one week, and she agreed just to prove me wrong. Turns out when we viewed the logs she was having cybersex with some 28 year old guy, and planning to meet a 23 year old.
My daughter is a good girl, she makes good grades in school and her mom and I have tried to raise her up right. But that is the scary thing. She is a normal girl. Thats the problem, kids cannot make those kinda of choices for themselves at that age. Its the job of the parent to make sure they don’t have to until they are older and can make better choices.
My step son is no longer allowed on the computer at all because of downloading porn. He has to use the school computer.
As far as other means of spying on the kids, I check their call records regularly. This has also saved the day a few times. When my daughter now 17 dates she does so only with her 14 year old brother and 11 year old sister go with her.
In a perfect world without porn, pedophiles, or drugs maybe you could blindly trust kids to make the right choices. Its not and far from it.
I’ll go one step further and say if your not keeping up with what your kids do and who they are seeing and talking with both in person and online then you are not fit to be a parent. Maybe if more parents would know what their kids are doing we would have less school shootings, less drug abuse , and less kis having kids.

]]> By: jme751 http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/comment-page-1/#comment-888 jme751 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:37:39 +0000 http://www.technibble.com/the-ethics-of-key-loggers/#comment-888 Great article! This is such a difficult topic to look at both sides of the issue. As an employee you feel like your privacy is encroached. As a parent, you are protecting your children. I'm sure a huge law suit will come about in the near future that will lay out the future of keyloggers for all of us. Great article! This is such a difficult topic to look at both sides of the issue. As an employee you feel like your privacy is encroached. As a parent, you are protecting your children. I’m sure a huge law suit will come about in the near future that will lay out the future of keyloggers for all of us.

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