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An armed robbery........you mean they didn't take the guns from the criminals?

So, only the criminals can get guns, not a law abiding citizen?

That makes sense!
I find that quite a tired rhetorical argument that forces the focus on the perceived "fairness" of gun ownership rather than the effects of gun ownership. You might as well say "so only criminals get free money (when they steal it) but law abiding people have to work for it. That makes sense!". Well yes of course - being criminals they are break certain laws and that includes stealing money and/or having a gun. Likewise only illegal drug-takers get access to pot and coke and speeding motorists get to ride as fast as they like.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:33 PM
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If you don't carry just say so
Ok..

I don't carry a gun
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:34 PM
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I find that quite a tired rhetorical argument that forces the focus on the perceived "fairness" of gun ownership rather than the effects of gun ownership. You might as well say "so only criminals get free money (when they steal it) but law abiding people have to work for it. That makes sense!". Well yes of course - being criminals they are break certain laws and that includes stealing money and/or having a gun. Likewise only illegal drug-takers get access to pot and coke and speeding motorists get to ride as fast as they like.
I think what he is trying to say is that the criminals will always have access to the guns and we need to level the playing field by making sure the good guys also have them. Why are you afraid of non-criminals having guns? Thats a rhetorical question. I'll tell you why. Its based on the notion that the gun makes you a bad person. Because this is what the Gov. has told you to be true. The gun does not make you a bad guy any more than a car makes you a drunk driver.


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I don't carry a gun.

Good deal. I think we could also do without the left wing slanted article as well.

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Old 03-15-2012, 04:41 PM
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I find that quite a tired rhetorical argument that forces the focus on the perceived "fairness" of gun ownership rather than the effects of gun ownership. You might as well say "so only criminals get free money (when they steal it) but law abiding people have to work for it. That makes sense!". Well yes of course - being criminals they are break certain laws and that includes stealing money and/or having a gun. Likewise only illegal drug-takers get access to pot and coke and speeding motorists get to ride as fast as they like.
My point exactly....criminals will get guns (or whatever), no matter how many or what kinds of law you impose on ALL citizens.

I'm sure the people deeply involved in the drug trade and have access to it, are not all "illegal drug-takers". Too much money involved for the "smart people" to use......they only want to sell and get the profits.

If we make the speed limit 15mph throughout the country, just think of the lives we could save. Or, do you think we will be the only ones doing 15mph.

Not to get off topic.......but in the U.S criminals do get "free money", it's called welfare....and I don't want to get another topic started!

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Old 03-15-2012, 04:42 PM
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Your article about carrying a gun increasing your risk of getting shot makes sense. The same way that buying a car increases your risk of being in a car accident, and flying in a plane increases your risk of being in a plane crash

This thread could head downhill pretty fast, lol
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This thread could head downhill pretty fast, lol
This is what I have been saying for a few posts now. It was not meant to be a debate but more of a poll. Then some anti-gun guys started in and right down the tubes.
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This is what I have been saying for a few posts now. It was not meant to be a debate but more of a poll. Then some anti-gun guys started in and right down the tubes.
It's a lot more interesting than all the willy-waving that it started with though!
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Your article about carrying a gun increasing your risk of getting shot makes sense. The same way that buying a car increases your risk of being in a car accident, and flying in a plane increases your risk of being in a plane crash

This thread could head downhill pretty fast, lol
Actually.....flying in a plane does increase your risk of being in a plane crash.
LOL.....I get you point.

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It's a lot more interesting than all the willy-waving that it started with though!
Very True!

Helps make the day interesting!
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My point exactly....criminals will get guns (or whatever), no matter how many or what kinds of law you impose on ALL citizens.

I'm sure the people deeply involved in the drug trade and have access to it, are not all "illegal drug-takers". Too much money involved for the "smart people" to use......they only want to sell and get the profits.

If we make the speed limit 15mph throughout the country, just think of the lives we could save. Or, do you think we will be the only ones doing 15mph.

Not to get off topic.......but in the U.S criminals do get "free money", it's called welfare....and I don't want to get another topic started!

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Of all the criminals in this country only a tiny minority have guns so the law still ends up producing less criminals with guns and 40-50 times less gun killing. Makes sense to me given that the main thing that bothers me is not being shot.
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