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abe
06-08-2009, 07:22 PM
I got excited but then i saw the prices.

Apple rolls out new MacBooks, drops prices (AP)
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SAN FRANCISCO - Apple Inc. showed off new MacBook Pro laptops with longer battery lives, faster processors and lower prices.

Apple made the new 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Pro laptops the introductory part of its developers' conference in San Francisco, where speculation swirled that a new iPhone would be unveiled later in the presentation.

The laptop with the 13-inch screen starts at $1,200, and the 15-inch model sells for $1,700 and up both $300 less than existing similar models.

The company also lowered the price on its ultra-thin MacBook Air to $1,500 from $1,800.

Apple's 17-inch MacBook Pro, which was unveiled in January, costs $2,500 and up.

Shares of Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple were down $4.27, nearly 3 percent, at $140.40 in afternoon trading.

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Jessica Mintz reported from Seattle.

gunslinger
06-08-2009, 08:51 PM
Did I miss something? Did you expect Apple to jump into the $398 Walmart price range? A $300 drop from existing prices is pretty good I think.


As a side note they are going to be selling the new Snow leopard OS for $29. I wonder how much Microsoft will charge for the Windows 7 upgrade next year.

abe
06-08-2009, 09:01 PM
@ gunslinger no need for a mini civil war :)

but for $600 I can get a very good system that 90% of the people I know will be very happy with and have zero problems with (including the OS).

gunslinger
06-08-2009, 09:08 PM
@ gunslinger no need for a mini civil war :)

but for $600 I can get a very good system that 90% of the people I know will be very happy with and have zero problems with (including the OS).

True, you can. But for the few people who want a higher quality product with a much better OS, there is Mac.

NYJimbo
06-08-2009, 09:13 PM
It's amazing how loyal mac users are. I know people who have used macs all their life and dont mind spending $2000 for a laptop or $3000 for a desktop, as long as its an Apple.

Blues
06-08-2009, 09:18 PM
a much better OS, there is Mac. Now I don't want to start something but to me this is a misconception or what ever the proper term maybe. The OS is not better or atleast we are unable to provide adequate testing to make that claim have any weight. You are limited to thier hardware for thier OS when you limit what you support it is easier to have more stability and better through put. Im not gunna try to debate is a Mac PC better then a Windows PC or some flavor of Linux or Unix. It is something that just irks me when I see these statements claiming it is Part X that is better when Part X requires Part A through Q if you get my drift.

angry_geek
06-08-2009, 09:19 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/ltpreston/infographic-web-4445_redoarticle.jpg
http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/os_x_snow_leopard_vs_windows

As a side note they are going to be selling the new Snow leopard OS for $29. I wonder how much Microsoft will charge for the Windows 7 upgrade next year.

No offense, gunslinger, but $29 is still too much to pay for what amounts to a service pack. Granted it's better than the $129 they charged for leopard. However, that makes $158 for 2 service packs. In MS's defense, we got 3 service packs for XP for free, 2 for Vista, also free.
First announced at the 2008 WWDC, Snow Leopard doesn't offer the parade of new features Mac users might have come to expect from a major OS X update. Instead, much of the focus with Snow Leopard has been behind the scenes, with Apple looking to improve the performance and increase the power of its operating system.http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/166309/snow_leopard_gets_a_september_ship_date.html

Windows 7 will be a free upgrade for users buying a vista product after June 26. http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217800056

The price for the macbook pro is finally approaching reasonable levels. However, I can still buy a better performing PC for less money and have broader application compatibility. This being said, it appears Apple may be on the right track finally.

MS, Apple, it doesn't really matter. They both have their pros and cons. I can't wait till linux gets more mainstream.

14049752
06-08-2009, 09:23 PM
It's amazing how loyal mac users are. I know people who have used macs all their life and dont mind spending $2000 for a laptop or $3000 for a desktop, as long as its an Apple.

I think the life of the computer has a lot to do with this, too. It's not uncommon for us to get G4 (or even G3) systems in that are still perfectly usable and actually are still fairly zippy for what they're used for. With PC's, anything as old as a Mac G3 is unbearably slow, even without all of the optional spyware and viruses. I know lots of people scoff at systems running anything before XP.

That's just a random observation, of course... but I'd be really interested to see how long a PC user keeps their laptop vs how long a Mac user keeps theirs.

gunslinger
06-08-2009, 09:26 PM
Now I don't want to start something but to me this is a misconception or what ever the proper term maybe.

By better I mean more stable, and far less prone to getting infected ( that kind of better )

No offense, gunslinger, but $29 is still too much to pay for what amounts to a service pack. Granted it's better than the $129 they charged for leopard. However, that makes $158 for 2 service packs. In MS's defense, we got 3 service packs for XP for free, 2 for Vista, also free

Windows 7 is a SP for Vista ( just changed the name to throw you off ). Thats all well and good but all the poor folks who got Vista back in the day got screwed. Snow leopard is not a service pack. Leopard was not a service pack to Tiger either.



I think the life of the computer has a lot to do with this, too. It's not uncommon for us to get G4 (or even G3) systems in that are still perfectly usable and actually are still fairly zippy for what they're used for. With PC's, anything as old as a Mac G3 is unbearably slow, even without all of the optional spyware and viruses. I know lots of people scoff at systems running anything before XP.

That's just a random observation, of course... but I'd be really interested to see how long a PC user keeps their laptop vs how long a Mac user keeps theirs.

I think you have a good point. Lets not forget resale value. I have a Macbook I got over a year ago and paid about $900 for it. I could sell it now for about $500-600. Try that with a PC.

NYJimbo
06-08-2009, 09:29 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Apples O/S based on Unix or some variant of BSD and not Linux ?

angry_geek
06-08-2009, 09:33 PM
I think the life of the computer has a lot to do with this, too. It's not uncommon for us to get G4 (or even G3) systems in that are still perfectly usable and actually are still fairly zippy for what they're used for. With PC's, anything as old as a Mac G3 is unbearably slow, even without all of the optional spyware and viruses. I know lots of people scoff at systems running anything before XP.

That's just a random observation, of course... but I'd be really interested to see how long a PC user keeps their laptop vs how long a Mac user keeps theirs.

Unfortunately for the older mac users, you have to have an intel mac to run snow leopard. However, my 5 year old HP NX machine runs windows 7 beautifully and even did well with vista. I did do an upgrade to 4 gb of ram not too long ago. That cost about $85.00. A year ago, Apple found it necessary to charge $700.00 for 4 gb of ram. Now they're more reasonable, charging $100.00 for 4 gb and $1,000.00 for 8. (Just fyi, Newegg price for 8 gb DDR3 is $750.00, 4 gb is $58.00) So my total cost on my old faithful HP: $950.00 for machine, $85.00 for ram = $1,035.00. Even adding Win 7 upgrade if I chose, would be about $1,200.00 max.

Nerm
06-08-2009, 09:38 PM
True, you can. But for the few people who want a higher quality product with a much better OS, there is Mac.

If I want a better quality product I am going to build it myself and load linux on it. lol :P

gunslinger
06-08-2009, 09:44 PM
If I want a better quality product I am going to build it myself and load linux on it. lol :P

Not real interested in building my own laptop (have a Macbook).



As for RAM , Yeah Apple does think highly of their RAM. I upgraded mine through newegg to 4 gigs for about $50.

anonymous Mac Tech
06-08-2009, 10:14 PM
As a side note they are going to be selling the new Snow leopard OS for $29. I wonder how much Microsoft will charge for the Windows 7 upgrade next year.

Where did you see 10.6 was coming out at $29.00? Was it upgrade or full install? I just thought it was going to be $129.00 like Leopard? I'm not too up on new stuff coming out, I just wait until things hit because with Apple you just never know until it happens.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/ltpreston/infographic-web-4445_redoarticle.jpg
http://www.theonion.com/content/infograph/os_x_snow_leopard_vs_windows



No offense, gunslinger, but $29 is still too much to pay for what amounts to a service pack. Granted it's better than the $129 they charged for leopard. However, that makes $158 for 2 service packs. In MS's defense, we got 3 service packs for XP for free, 2 for Vista, also free.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/166309/snow_leopard_gets_a_september_ship_date.html

Windows 7 will be a free upgrade for users buying a vista product after June 26. http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217800056


I definitely wouldn't classify Snow Leopard as an update or "service pack", although many press writers want to since its lacking in features according to these idiots because they prefer features over a 30% performance increase. If you want to talk about "service packs" as M$ affectionately calls them, Apple has had 7 major updates to 10.5 (i.e. 10.5.7), and prior to that 11 major updates to 10.4 (i.e. 10.4.11). Those are just the major updates that didn't include all the java updates and misc. stuff.

gunslinger
06-08-2009, 10:40 PM
Where did you see 10.6 was coming out at $29.00? Was it upgrade or full install?

WWDC about 15 mins ago. Upgrade

anonymous Mac Tech
06-08-2009, 10:53 PM
Guess I should have googled before asking. Google brought up 15,000 hits when I did it. :o
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=snow+leopard+for+$29.00