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Tiddle
01-27-2009, 05:31 AM
Does anyone here fix the red rings of death for an xbox.

Im not a gamer. My friends just broke a few days ago and he was asking me if i could do it.

Theres alot of guides out there, but id like to know what is that causes it exactly.

Im searching online but id like to know yalls input.


Thank you

Blues
01-27-2009, 01:44 PM
No one seems to have a confirmed cause for it as MS practicly won't admit the problem beyond a special extended warrenty for it.

Tiddle
01-27-2009, 02:04 PM
No one seems to have a confirmed cause for it as MS practicly won't admit the problem beyond a special extended warrenty for it.

I watched a few people overheat them in towels...lol.

I want to fix it not just overheat it and make it work again for a few days. :p


So far all ive seen them do is replace a bolts, and washers and the thermal paste on cpu's

arrow_runner
01-27-2009, 02:36 PM
I think it has to do w/ inadequate cooling causing the BGA under the video GPU to fail? Heating the 360 in a towel causes the solder to re-melt and solidify again, but I've heard it's a hit or miss procedure.

geekhelp4u
01-27-2009, 03:06 PM
Why fix it yourself when MS will fix for free? Plus you wont loose your warranty if you send it in. I have helped many people with this issue, and so far i am averaging a turn around of 12 days from the time I send in an xbox to the time I get one back!

Tiddle
01-27-2009, 03:08 PM
Why fix it yourself when MS will fix for free? Plus you wont loose your warranty if you send it in. I have helped many people with this issue, and so far i am averaging a turn around of 12 days from the time I send in an xbox to the time I get one back!

His Gf bought it for him. I dont think he has receipts or anything.

What exactly does he need to send it in?

geekhelp4u
01-27-2009, 04:37 PM
Have him sign up for a windows live ID here: http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/xbox360/LiveIDSignIn.aspx?redirectUrl=http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/xbox360/registerdevice.aspx?step=status

When he has one, he can sign in and register the serial number on the XBOX console in his name.

Once he does this, he can call 1800 4MY XBOX

They will supply him with a shipping label that will be emailed to him. He will need to package the XBOX and send it in using this label.

Tiddle
01-27-2009, 07:44 PM
Have him sign up for a windows live ID here: http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/xbox360/LiveIDSignIn.aspx?redirectUrl=http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/xbox360/registerdevice.aspx?step=status

When he has one, he can sign in and register the serial number on the XBOX console in his name.

Once he does this, he can call 1800 4MY XBOX

They will supply him with a shipping label that will be emailed to him. He will need to package the XBOX and send it in using this label.

His warranty is up.
$94 to fix it.

Blues
01-27-2009, 08:28 PM
They extended the warrenty for this specific issue by 3 years I believe I would double check that it is expired.

l337
01-28-2009, 04:33 AM
towel trick works but there are better methods.

remove the shell take the gpu and cpu heatsink off redo the thermal paste put that back on unplug the fans and start her up and let it overheat then once thats done plug fans back in and ur good to go

Tiddle
01-28-2009, 10:45 AM
towel trick works but there are better methods.

remove the shell take the gpu and cpu heatsink off redo the thermal paste put that back on unplug the fans and start her up and let it overheat then once thats done plug fans back in and ur good to go

Yeah thats one i was looking at. :)
Im disputing the warranty on it because he says hes only had it for 1 year.
WHo knows...people lie.

Well see whats up. Ill let you know how it goes.

Thank you for your replies.

Blues
01-29-2009, 03:50 PM
Yeah thats one i was looking at. :)
Im disputing the warranty on it because he says hes only had it for 1 year.
WHo knows...people lie.

Well see whats up. Ill let you know how it goes.

Thank you for your replies.

If he bought it used then he might be SOL

net_spectr
02-04-2009, 02:29 PM
We just got one for our kids for Christmas. That thing has been used and abused and they play it constantly, especially since its winter time and to cold to get out of the house. I bought an intercooler, not the one that runs from the USB in the back but the one that has its own power supply, you actually plug it in to the wall. Anyway it has its own temp sensors installed and will kick on when it senses it getting hot. It will run for a little while even after you shut it off sucking heat out of the console. I dont know for sure if it works as well as it should as our console is to new, but as much as they play that thing i think it helps.

geekhelp4u
02-04-2009, 05:18 PM
I bought an intercooler, not the one that runs from the USB in the back but the one that has its own power supply, you actually plug it in to the wall.

These are great but like said, make sure it is a generation 2 not 1. The generation 2 mentioned here has its own power supply. The older ones used the same power supply as the xbox and would over heat and sometimes melt to the console.

Additional tip with this! Like i do with my desktops, this intercooler will blow outside air into the xbox to help it cool down. With this, comes more dirt/dust/dog or cat hair/etc... I usually cut a piece off of an indoor air filter and loosely tape it over the vents.

Tiddle
02-05-2009, 01:13 AM
These are great but like said, make sure it is a generation 2 not 1. The generation 2 mentioned here has its own power supply. The older ones used the same power supply as the xbox and would over heat and sometimes melt to the console.

Additional tip with this! Like i do with my desktops, this intercooler will blow outside air into the xbox to help it cool down. With this, comes more dirt/dust/dog or cat hair/etc... I usually cut a piece off of an indoor air filter and loosely tape it over the vents.

Wow i would have never though of that

bboy131
02-06-2009, 03:31 AM
The towel method works but only for a while, it doesn't permanently fix it. If it is under warranty sometimes you can send it back and they will fix it. Also I found out why a lot of 360s get the red ring. If you use a Nyko Intercooler, they can over heat and actually melt the plastic inside the power socket which causes the red ring.

purple_minion
02-06-2009, 09:55 AM
You can't really fix the red ring as the ball solder UNDER the chip has formed microcracks which the CPU/GPU uses for the connections. Literally little balls of solder are the connections. The theory is that with the lack of MicroSloughs race to get the thing out before PS3 and lack of testing/quality control and the new lead-free solder (which is much more brittle) causes these failures. The small heatsink causes high temperatures and so from the on/off of playing you get thermal cycling which eventually cracks those little balls. The towel trick causes it to overheat even more, but the thermal expansion causes contact again, so it works for a little bit. You can't reflow 200 degree celsius solder overheating a chip, they die long long long before that. You could get a commercial equipment which I've looked into that reflows it, but it's not actually going to solve any of the problems, plus solder used a second time is crap without any flux and now contaminated. I remember reading about someone having a company take a look at a few 360's where they physically tore them apart, started to mill the chips down and take photo's/x-ray's of them. This was on of those design companies you hire out if you (MS) cared about failure of your product. They determined it was poor quality control and bad design if I remember correctly, been a while since my 360 crapped on me.

PS. While looking for the failure analysis artical I read I came across this, interesting read!
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/

And some more
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20070926/139719/?P=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=223

thor999
02-06-2009, 04:28 PM
Avoid the towel trick. RROD is generally caused by the horrible factory application of heatsink paste, poor engineering overall, and the use of lead free solder, which, when overheated, tends to go where it shouldn't. You should try the X-clamp fix: http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/ring_of_light_x-clamp_fix.htm Also, verify the error code, sometimes they are not what you would think, i.e. NOT FIXABLE. All solutions failing, find someone who reballs 360's and try that, reflow is a good second option if you can't find the first. Don't forget to flash that firmware! Avoid Nyko Intercoolers like the plague; I had one literally fuse itself to my console, severely damaging the power plug and rendering my poor 360 useless. They did replace my console for it though! Just my 2 cents, if I reiterated previous statements I am only seconding them.

Tiddle
02-06-2009, 04:49 PM
You can't really fix the red ring as the ball solder UNDER the chip has formed microcracks which the CPU/GPU uses for the connections. Literally little balls of solder are the connections. The theory is that with the lack of MicroSloughs race to get the thing out before PS3 and lack of testing/quality control and the new lead-free solder (which is much more brittle) causes these failures. The small heatsink causes high temperatures and so from the on/off of playing you get thermal cycling which eventually cracks those little balls. The towel trick causes it to overheat even more, but the thermal expansion causes contact again, so it works for a little bit. You can't reflow 200 degree celsius solder overheating a chip, they die long long long before that. You could get a commercial equipment which I've looked into that reflows it, but it's not actually going to solve any of the problems, plus solder used a second time is crap without any flux and now contaminated. I remember reading about someone having a company take a look at a few 360's where they physically tore them apart, started to mill the chips down and take photo's/x-ray's of them. This was on of those design companies you hire out if you (MS) cared about failure of your product. They determined it was poor quality control and bad design if I remember correctly, been a while since my 360 crapped on me.

PS. While looking for the failure analysis artical I read I came across this, interesting read!
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/

And some more
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20070926/139719/?P=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=223

Thank You For The info :)