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trendless
04-17-2012, 04:01 AM
So...8, Pro, RT, Enterprise and localized. Thoughts? I'm glad they got rid of home/home-premium. Also seems like they recognize that MCE users are by and large tech savvy, so making it an addon to Pro is another way to monetize..although good on them for not killing it entirely. The end of "format & reinstall" as we know it, tho.

tf76
04-17-2012, 04:11 AM
I wonder how many businesses will opt for 8 when 7 does the job fine?

I'll treat 8 like Vista :)

Regards,

16k_zx81
04-17-2012, 05:10 AM
I'll treat 8 like Vista :)



This^ exactly.

I reckon consumers will hate Metro on anything thats not a tablet. The first thing most of them will do when they get a laptop/desktop with 8 will be to look for a start menu hack.

From there, I really cant see there's adequate payoffs to 8 to justify an 'upgrade' from 7 on those devices.

Touchscreens are the machines that 8 get traction on. And rightly so. It will be market competition for Android and IOS.

For laptops and desktops though, for my money, 8 is a total waste of space and serves no real benefit over 7. Not enough additional 'value adds' to justify, and the hinderance of the new menu UI

The bigger picture though, is a lot more tablets and a transition to 'phone-based' computing. In a few years time, the notion of lugging around a laptop or sitting tied to a desktop will be a quaint, fading, blip on the computing radar. Your computer will fit in your pocket and will interface seamlessly with whatever screens you happen to be standing by.

gunslinger
04-17-2012, 12:09 PM
I'll treat 8 like Vista

This exactly. Its just another extended beta test on the public.

YeOldeStonecat
04-17-2012, 04:38 PM
I wonder how many businesses will opt for 8 when 7 does the job fine?

I'll treat 8 like Vista :)

Regards,

Since that's my target client audience....yeah, I'll jump to 8 on my own rigs, and laptop. But for clients...when XP is still over 75% of the workstations out there....7 is still trying to get a foothold in the business computer world...there won't be a mad rush to 8.

Usually business/enterprise waits until the first service pack is out for a major new OS before they even think about adopting it.

So we're looking at 2 years or more...easily.

Rosco
04-17-2012, 05:04 PM
im using the consumer preview right now. I really like it. That said i really wish it had a start menu. I will keep windows 7 as my primary os and recommend to wait to upgrade. When touch lcds become mainstream i think windows 8 will crush the competition.

ArtemusComputerTechnology
04-17-2012, 11:05 PM
I read yesterday on Gizmodo and thought the editions are 8, Pro, and RT. From my perspective, I think 8 is more for touch capability. I am really going for an all in one after its release. I'm also playing around with the Consumer Preview to try to get use to the GUI. The Metro is ok but the start button should be on the Metro tiles. At work, I recently received a 7 Enterprise workstation and keeping my XP Pro workstation. LOL. Overall, 7 is not going anywhere. Can't wait to see how 8 will turn out.

Tekguy
04-17-2012, 11:53 PM
Also seems like they recognize that MCE users are by and large tech savvy, so making it an addon to Pro is another way to monetize..although good on them for not killing it entirely.
It seems to me that this is Microsoft's way of slowly killing WMC. From what I can tell nothing has been changed in WMC on Win 8. Why in the world would somebody pay extra for WMC & also have to pay more for a Win 8 Pro license to install it on when nothing has changed is beyond me.

I guess Microsoft's too busy working on crazy important stuff like writing Angry Birds & Facebook apps for Win8 on the desktop.

trendless
04-18-2012, 02:16 AM
7 is still trying to get a foothold in the business computer world...there won't be a mad rush to 8.

Usually business/enterprise waits until the first service pack is out for a major new OS before they even think about adopting it.

So we're looking at 2 years or more...easily.

I'm VERY interested to see how this plays out, because Microsoft is *aggressively* moving to shorter support windows and release schedules (see: Vista already being put out to pasture). I think they're going to hammer businesses hard to catch up and get on with 7 in this next cycle... there's never gonna be another XP that was 'current' for 7, 8, 9 years. 2 years, then onto the next one seems to be their play. And who knows, with that being the norm in portable computing (smartphones/tablets), I can see it worming its way into biz and exec's brains the same way mobile devices have.

trendless
04-18-2012, 02:19 AM
I read yesterday on Gizmodo and thought the editions are 8, Pro, and RT.

I think RT is aimed at the tablet market, as it's the one that will support ARM, which is by and large what's going to be in most tablets. And there's still a fourth (Enterprise) for volume license customers, and fifth (localized versions) for overseas markets.

Really, they're adding one to the two commonly seen in the marketplace these days (7 home premium, 7 pro). Oh joy. Just imagine how much fun it's going to be informing all the unwitting 8 RT buyers who can't wrap their head around the fact that their all-in-one touchscreen unit that came with 8 and looks virtually identical to the tablet they bought that came with 8 RT does not and cannot run the same applications. Oy.

Wheelie
04-21-2012, 04:34 PM
Windows 8 could be the beginning of the end of Windows/Microsoft as we know it. They're waaaay late to the table with tablet/smartphone hardware and operating system. The Windows 8 Beta (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/consumer-preview) just rolled out and there is no "value add" with it (try it yourself). Windows 8 hardware is non-existent. Microsoft has partnered with Nokia to roll out hardware but ... well you know ... it doesn't work too well without an OS ... so Nokia is dying a slow death for this an other reasons. Google and Apple are kicking some serious MS a$$ right now. Apple, already the world's most valuable company, hit $600 billion in capitalization level this month.

Microsoft might just be going down the toilet. I think the next 10 years will show a very dominant rise in Android and iOS as the operating systems of choice for desktops, laptops, tablets, and smart phones.

Jeffreynya
04-21-2012, 05:02 PM
I am not to sure about that. The MS footprint is huge, I think it will take a lot longer than 10 years even if 8 flops. I think a windows 8 table the size of an ipad that can dock and be used as a fully functional PC in an office setting will be a step forward. However there are some UI issue that will need to be worked out first. It would be cool to have a 8 tablet that can run all MS and other windows based software under the metro UI but then when its docks it will use a standard win7 type profile.

Plus if the can get a 8 based Phone that can work with the same software it would be a great combo.

If tablets and touchscreens are the future I think MS is on the right track. They just need to listen more closely to their customers.

trendless
04-21-2012, 05:23 PM
As with RIM, they have a profitable and trusted enterprise division...how much well they actually suffer as a result of 8? Well just look at Vista -- they opened the door for all of this back then and lost a bunch of market share. And now they're back raking in the profits again (see recent quarter results). Enterprise doesn't move that quickly, so in all likelihood many may skip 8 if there aren't compelling reasons not to (...although I've heard very little but glowing reviews of Server 2012 beta). Workstations in the workplace will be the norm for a long time still, although with the movement to virtualizing workspaces you may see less employee hardware that isn't employee-owned (byod anyone?). But NO one has as widely used or supported an employee-facing platform as Microsoft has with Windows. Yes, I'd like to think that more organizations of all sizes will start giving Linux a chance, but I look around and see no infrastructure for that. Even on this forum, how many service providers are there here, and how many focus on, push, or specialize in Linux for the desktop? How many of any of our customers are willing to even consider leaving Windows and Office behind? There are many reasons for it, many of which don't really hold up under scrutiny, but it's true nonetheless. And even if everything migrates to the cloud/app paradigm, and everything's accessible via the net and cross platform... this is where you can almost see a world sans Bill's baby, but consumers will still be [comfortable] using what they've always used. And for the majority of them, the window through which they'll be looking at their information and programs, data and apps, is going to be the same as it's always been ... for the foreseeable future.

myPCTechs
04-22-2012, 05:33 AM
The moment I purchase my first hybrid tablet/laptop it's getting Windows 8. Right now the hardware isn't small/powerful enough but it will be within a years time and I'm going to love the ability to dominate in both realms. 'iPad mode' :) and then 'real computer mode' with a flip of the screen.

Wheelie
04-22-2012, 03:03 PM
Interesting article (http://www.nasdaq.com/article/microsoft-seen-betting-big-with-windows-8-20120420-00874). Wall Street & corporate CIO's seem to generally like what they see Microsoft doing with Windows 8 in regards to tablets, smart phones and PC's. Especially for the corporate enterprise arena.


High expectations for Windows 8 boost Microsoft share price Friday
Windows 8 could shake up tablet market, now dominated by Apple
Chief information officers "trust Microsoft more than they trust Apple" - Gary Beach, publisher of CIO Magazine
"There's significant interest in Windows 8 tablets only because enterprises assume they will be compatible with existing Windows apps," Bajarin said.


Gary Beach, publisher of CIO Magazine, which is geared to chief information officers, called Windows 8 "the most important launch" for the company since Windows 3.0 was introduced in 1990.


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gunslinger
04-22-2012, 03:17 PM
Someone already said it. Even if Microsoft just threw in the towel right now, it would take 10 years or more for them to go under. They are that big. The thing is though each time they put out another "Vista" more people go to the platform that actually works. That being Mac. They are losing more and more people by the day. Things like the iPad and iPhone only serve to snag people over to the Mac side. The haters don't want to see it so they cover their eyes and ears and yell at the top of their lungs...lol


As for linux, there are those who are giving it a shot but its really so fragmented as to be a non-issue.

Wheelie
04-22-2012, 03:28 PM
It seems the market is shifting toward Apple products for home/residential use and Windows for the corporate/enterprise world. I hate that because my primary market is home/residential and the Apple Stores get most of the Apple product repair business. The Apple Stores (and clone stores) around most metro areas have lines waiting for products/services.

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gunslinger
04-23-2012, 04:41 AM
It seems the market is shifting toward Apple products for home/residential use and Windows for the corporate/enterprise world. I hate that because my primary market is home/residential and the Apple Stores get most of the Apple product repair business. The Apple Stores (and clone stores) around most metro areas have lines waiting for products/services.

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I have mixed feelings about it. As a consumer and a computer power user, I love Macs. As a business owner whos #1 income source is infected computers its hurting business. Customers that use to call at least every month or two who got Macs never call anymore, or rarely. If things keep going at their current rate I'd say most techs will have a choice in a few years. Be a sys admin somewhere or work and the Apple store.