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ell
07-24-2011, 11:46 PM
Hi, I have a customer whos kids live on the net all night (duh). She has tried parental control but the kids hacked around them. Shes tried unplugging the router, ofcourse that failed. My suggestion was to move the modem to a room with a lock! Anybody know of any programs that cut internet use after a certain time? I know some hotels have this, but I don't know if there is a retail version.

16k_zx81
07-24-2011, 11:52 PM
Hi, I have a customer whos kids live on the net all night (duh). She has tried parental control but the kids hacked around them. Shes tried unplugging the router, ofcourse that failed. My suggestion was to move the modem to a room with a lock! Anybody know of any programs that cut internet use after a certain time? I know some hotels have this, but I don't know if there is a retail version.

Windows Live has a good parental controls system, which Im pretty sure does this
http://explore.live.com/windows-live-family-safety?os=other

Norton also have a very good free product with similar features.
https://onlinefamily.norton.com/familysafety/loginStart.fs

[edit] Oh.. the kids hacked the parntal controls. Helps if you read all of the post to start with eh?

Not sure then. Are there routers with this feature? Seems to me that would be the most secure option.

ell
07-24-2011, 11:56 PM
Windows Live has a good parental controls system, which Im pretty sure does this
http://explore.live.com/windows-live-family-safety?os=other

Norton also have a very good free product with similar features.
https://onlinefamily.norton.com/familysafety/loginStart.fs

[edit] Oh.. the kids hacked the parntal controls. Helps if you read all of the post to start with eh?

Not sure then. Are there routers with this feature? Seems to me that would be the most secure option.

yes, she has 4 boys, probably pretty techie too. I'm googing some more.

techroc
07-25-2011, 12:00 AM
Look for config info on the router level could be under access restrictions or something similar depending on the router itself.

Basically input the MAC address of the computer being used and set usage times through the configuration. You can also do this for multiple MAC addresses so you can set time limits, rules on specific sites and more!

You could for instance create a custom web page with their names saying they are unable to access due to their online curfew! Then set that to redirect if they try to access any webpage after the specific time. That would be fun! :)

ell
07-25-2011, 12:05 AM
Look for config info on the router level could be under access restrictions or something similar depending on the router itself.

Basically input the MAC address of the computer being used and set usage times through the configuration. You can also do this for multiple MAC addresses so you can set time limits, rules on specific sites and more!

You could for instance create a custom web page with their names saying they are unable to access due to their online curfew! Then set that to redirect if they try to access any webpage after the specific time. That would be fun! :)

Thats does sound fun! too bad I don't have a clue how to do it, google is my friend!! I will ask her make/model of her router.

Paul Rodgers
07-25-2011, 12:30 AM
Have her take and lock up any device that has the ability to access the internet at 9 pm. She should be the parent and not allow this kind of behavior.

ell
07-25-2011, 12:33 AM
Have her take and lock up any device that has the ability to access the internet at 9 pm. She should be the parent and not allow this kind of behavior.

exactly, however they are all desktops, may be a bit of a pain.

tek9
07-25-2011, 12:39 AM
K-9 Web Protection has Time Limit features.
I don't know what type of "hacking" the kids did to get around the parental controls she tried, but she might try this. It's free and easy to set up. If it works, fine, otherwise, try something else....

Paul Rodgers
07-25-2011, 12:40 AM
exactly, however they are all desktops, may be a bit of a pain.

Hard wired or wireless?

If wireless is it a PCI card or USB?

ell
07-25-2011, 12:42 AM
Hard wired or wireless?

If wireless is it a PCI card or USB?

oh yes, I see where you're going, I shot her a reply already asking that, waiting.

ell
07-25-2011, 12:42 AM
K-9 Web Protection has Time Limit features.
I don't know what type of "hacking" the kids did to get around the parental controls she tried, but she might try this. It's free and easy to set up. If it works, fine, otherwise, try something else....

cool, I'll check it out thanks!

commentator8
07-25-2011, 01:23 AM
Both K-9 and norton have time limits, but both can be circumvented through judicious use of autoruns. So create a non admin account for the kids and either should be fine. If that is an option.

While anything is circumventable, in a case like this they may have to make obvious changes (like remove the admin password or disable the security program) before being able to circumvent it.

However as mentioned above, if your router supports it or can take dd-wrt firmware that would be the best solution.

Xander
07-25-2011, 01:45 AM
She needs to teach the kids the meaning of consequences and, for herself, she needs to look up the definition of "doormat". If she catches any of the kids bypassing the rules in place, one (or all) loses some sort of privilege. Period.

A good parent does not need to lock devices up in a box/room. S/he says "9pm. You're done." and the kids stop. If they don't, they face some form of discipline.

commentator8
07-25-2011, 01:48 AM
Please don't take this the wrong way... but its amusing to see the differing perspectives of parents vs not there yet by the tone of the answers, Parenting vs Technical.

shamrin
07-25-2011, 01:55 AM
If they're keen to try actual parenting with the aid of technology, you could set up Convenant Eyes (http://www.covenanteyes.com/services/accountability/). This would give them a report of the sites and times that they were being accessed. It is spectacularly difficult to hack without leaving bear-tracks and if the little angels do manage to knock it out the report will say so. The idea here is that all the sites they visit are logged (and rated by content), you tell the kids what the rules are then you trust but verify.

ell
07-25-2011, 02:03 AM
Ha, I love the little bits of parental opinions getting thrown about here, I myself a grandparent and having been a bit of a "problem" child and my daughters having grown to be admirable professional adults...however they pulled the wool over my eyes on many occasions..(ie. broken bedroom window for midnight excursions). The advice is often "easier said than done" in the case of crafty teens with facebook on their minds in the middle of the night...or worse. My job is just to find a answer not to advise her on parenting, I'll leave that to her parents! :D

tek9
07-25-2011, 02:11 AM
My job is just to find a answer not to advise her on parenting, I'll leave that to her parents! :D
LOL! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Craven_Morehead
07-25-2011, 05:23 AM
Hi, I have a customer whos kids live on the net all night (duh). She has tried parental control but the kids hacked around them. Shes tried unplugging the router, ofcourse that failed. My suggestion was to move the modem to a room with a lock! Anybody know of any programs that cut internet use after a certain time? I know some hotels have this, but I don't know if there is a retail version.

Yup, It's called a belt.


Jokes aside, most new routers now have parental controls.

Also, clarify what you mean by "hacked around". They probably just goggled a way around. Try the router time controls, give them a limited account and blacklist list words they would use to find a way around: Proxy, Parental control, hacks, etc. That will slow them down.

ZenTree
07-25-2011, 09:38 AM
Just remove the router completely rather than just turning it off at the wall.


Otherwise you could use OpenDNS on the router to prove they were on late, though it wouldn't stop them. (I thought they had a time based filter but obviously not).

Depending on how "savvy" they really are, MAC filters can be easily fooled with pretty basic stuff nowadays.

shamrin
07-26-2011, 12:03 AM
Just remove the router completely rather than just turning it off at the wall.



+1 for this.

Or pull the cable modem and lock it up. Low tech, hard to hack.

AFCSOFME
07-26-2011, 12:39 AM
I use a program called "Grounding" and I know other parents who use it too on their kids, basically we take things away when the children don't listen, this included our computers and is practiced by parents today as well.

I am for the modem being unplugged.....and locking it up. I also vote for locking the computer up too and sending my kids to the library :)

mkeathley
07-26-2011, 01:58 PM
I'm a geek always have been. When I got my first computer at 13 I was on it all hours day and night. My mother finally had enough.
She started by spanking me. But I was difficult, and she couldnt hit very hard. When that didn't work she decided to take it out on the PC instead. One whack and I never tried to disobey her on that again....
A PC is a privilege not a requirement even nowadays students can use the library to write papers.....

ell
07-26-2011, 02:26 PM
I'm a geek always have been. When I got my first computer at 13 I was on it all hours day and night. My mother finally had enough.
She started by spanking me. But I was difficult, and she couldnt hit very hard. When that didn't work she decided to take it out on the PC instead. One whack and I never tried to disobey her on that again....
A PC is a privilege not a requirement even nowadays students can use the library to write papers.....

LOL! My mom did the same thing to my brother's guitar! SMASH!

DetroitTechComputer
07-27-2011, 02:32 AM
+1 to K-9. I had a similar problem with a client and that worked great for her.

TenYardFight
07-28-2011, 02:24 AM
Another for for k-9!

I use it.

stidham
07-29-2011, 05:20 PM
Another for for k-9!

I use it.


I use it for my 3 boys. I like it. It's easy to use for good at what it does. Covenant Eyes is good to, but it can make things difficult, but son had it installed on a laptop, my laptop was down and I used his one day when my wife had some outpatient surgery, it wouldn't let me get onto the free wifi at the hospital, without the password which i didn't think to ask him for.

K-9 gets my vote. That reminds me I need to do an audit of their systems to make sure they're secure this weekend.