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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/computer-repair-job-gone-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-4007</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, about the &#039;branded&#039; issue. You do know that MS made the &#039;ChangeKey&#039; app?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, about the &#8216;branded&#8217; issue. You do know that MS made the &#8216;ChangeKey&#8217; app?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/computer-repair-job-gone-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-4004</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, I imagine it must have been a little painful dealing with this.

I see that you thought you left open a range of possibilities when you said, &quot;depending on what is wrong with it&quot;. I agree with you to a certain extent, but also remember that you have to be utterly clear about these things, because people in general have both somewhat of a &#039;service-paranoia&#039; and they are complete laymen where it comes to computers. So it needs to be made very, very clear to them what the context is. You may have to give examples of what may happen and how much it may cost, from the lower to the higher end. 

One thing is true, you should have ensured whether or not they had a Retail or OEM XP CD before continuing with anything. You should not have done any repairs until you knew that. Otherwise, it will just seem like you&#039;re adding and adding costs, and the customer could not have gleaned that from you in any other way than you being fully aware of the situation, and they being fully aware of the possible outcomes for them and telling them. Things like operating system cd&#039;s, licenses, need to be known from the beginning.

The 9-in-1 XP thing that someone talked about isn&#039;t as great a &#039;fix&#039; as maybe thought, because there are more issues regarding legality than just installing someone&#039;s original license key unto a new XP install of another source than the customer&#039;s cd. To think that you&#039;re legal because you change the key to the customer&#039;s original key does not make that XP legal. Sure, the XP core is basically the same, but what protects you and the customer from breaking legalities as enforced by Microsoft is not solved by changing to the customer&#039;s key on an installation from any 9-in-1 disc. For all we know it may be virtually undetectable, but even post SP3 recently has been added the pirated copy message hotfix that will tell you (or worse, the customer) that their copy is probably not legal. That would be undesirable for sure, wouldn&#039;t it? If anyone else has more actual experience with this, they may give some more information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, I imagine it must have been a little painful dealing with this.</p>
<p>I see that you thought you left open a range of possibilities when you said, &#8220;depending on what is wrong with it&#8221;. I agree with you to a certain extent, but also remember that you have to be utterly clear about these things, because people in general have both somewhat of a &#8217;service-paranoia&#8217; and they are complete laymen where it comes to computers. So it needs to be made very, very clear to them what the context is. You may have to give examples of what may happen and how much it may cost, from the lower to the higher end. </p>
<p>One thing is true, you should have ensured whether or not they had a Retail or OEM XP CD before continuing with anything. You should not have done any repairs until you knew that. Otherwise, it will just seem like you&#8217;re adding and adding costs, and the customer could not have gleaned that from you in any other way than you being fully aware of the situation, and they being fully aware of the possible outcomes for them and telling them. Things like operating system cd&#8217;s, licenses, need to be known from the beginning.</p>
<p>The 9-in-1 XP thing that someone talked about isn&#8217;t as great a &#8216;fix&#8217; as maybe thought, because there are more issues regarding legality than just installing someone&#8217;s original license key unto a new XP install of another source than the customer&#8217;s cd. To think that you&#8217;re legal because you change the key to the customer&#8217;s original key does not make that XP legal. Sure, the XP core is basically the same, but what protects you and the customer from breaking legalities as enforced by Microsoft is not solved by changing to the customer&#8217;s key on an installation from any 9-in-1 disc. For all we know it may be virtually undetectable, but even post SP3 recently has been added the pirated copy message hotfix that will tell you (or worse, the customer) that their copy is probably not legal. That would be undesirable for sure, wouldn&#8217;t it? If anyone else has more actual experience with this, they may give some more information.</p>
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		<title>By: Truck Accessories</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/computer-repair-job-gone-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-2464</link>
		<dc:creator>Truck Accessories</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sh*t happens -- as with any job or industry. I&#039;ve had jobs go sour quite a few times in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sh*t happens &#8212; as with any job or industry. I&#8217;ve had jobs go sour quite a few times in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: PC ZONE</title>
		<link>http://www.technibble.com/computer-repair-job-gone-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-1838</link>
		<dc:creator>PC ZONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last conversation i had with Microsoft they said &quot;You actually need three things to legally reload a OEM XP computer 1)COA License 2)Original Media (CD) 3)The little booklet that comes with XP OEM Software. Now i have always gone by the original cd/coa rule but never thought about the booklet. Just a question to all the AVG lovers out there - Do you ever scan with another AV from time to time to ensure that AVG is indeed working (Not Nortons)
Personally i would&#039;ve looked at getting the computer cleaned up first before even mentioning the keyboard and i&#039;ve found with the way we do things reloads are few and far between</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last conversation i had with Microsoft they said &#8220;You actually need three things to legally reload a OEM XP computer 1)COA License 2)Original Media (CD) 3)The little booklet that comes with XP OEM Software. Now i have always gone by the original cd/coa rule but never thought about the booklet. Just a question to all the AVG lovers out there &#8211; Do you ever scan with another AV from time to time to ensure that AVG is indeed working (Not Nortons)<br />
Personally i would&#8217;ve looked at getting the computer cleaned up first before even mentioning the keyboard and i&#8217;ve found with the way we do things reloads are few and far between</p>
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		<title>By: St. Pete PC Repair</title>
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		<dc:creator>St. Pete PC Repair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Miracle Blade.</description>
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		<title>By: Remote Computer Repair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remote Computer Repair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whew! Great dialogues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whew! Great dialogues!</p>
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		<title>By: Abby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a computer technician, but I can imagine how was the situation you faced at that moment...You have tried to find the cheaper solution for your customer and have been very communicative with your customer. Just keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a computer technician, but I can imagine how was the situation you faced at that moment&#8230;You have tried to find the cheaper solution for your customer and have been very communicative with your customer. Just keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Miracle Blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miracle Blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like that explode because they don&#039;t know any better. They don&#039;t understand about computers and think repair persons take advantage of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like that explode because they don&#8217;t know any better. They don&#8217;t understand about computers and think repair persons take advantage of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Courts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently had a similar issue. I advised a customer to bring a computer in for what sounded like a basic driver issue with a NIC. The customer was waiting and I realized soemthing was a little beyond the ordinary driver issue so I had him come back an hour later. Eventually I relaized that so many services were not running that it was beyond me to track down the culprit of everyone so I backed up his data and told him it needed to be reformatted. I quoted him my cheapest price for a reformat and did the work for that price. Although I spent a lot of time discovering the problem and did more than the basic reformat I felt like I had not followed my own best procedures and thus should do what I could to make the customer satisfied. Neither of us were expecting what had happened but there were no hardware problems (thus only costing my time) and although my time is valuable to me the happy customer and a decent but small service fee was what i considered to be fair. I get a lot of quick fixes and this one turned into something more. Now maybe I&#039;ll be more cautious about quoting prices and following my own best procedures. PS. I was so glad to find this site as it has helped me a lot with just starting out. Thanks Everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently had a similar issue. I advised a customer to bring a computer in for what sounded like a basic driver issue with a NIC. The customer was waiting and I realized soemthing was a little beyond the ordinary driver issue so I had him come back an hour later. Eventually I relaized that so many services were not running that it was beyond me to track down the culprit of everyone so I backed up his data and told him it needed to be reformatted. I quoted him my cheapest price for a reformat and did the work for that price. Although I spent a lot of time discovering the problem and did more than the basic reformat I felt like I had not followed my own best procedures and thus should do what I could to make the customer satisfied. Neither of us were expecting what had happened but there were no hardware problems (thus only costing my time) and although my time is valuable to me the happy customer and a decent but small service fee was what i considered to be fair. I get a lot of quick fixes and this one turned into something more. Now maybe I&#8217;ll be more cautious about quoting prices and following my own best procedures. PS. I was so glad to find this site as it has helped me a lot with just starting out. Thanks Everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe the PC Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe the PC Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Bryce...

To be honest however, I can kind of see why the customer might be a bit upset after that took place. Put yourself in the perspective of taking your car into a mechanic for an oil change, and being told you have to get a new muffler, transmission fluid change, spark plugs, and it still sounds bad when you take it back from the garage... that drives me nuts.

I really think in this case Bryce, you may have  made false promises to this customer, and obviously they were expecting something entirely different then the outcome.

I guess the only way to protect yourself in this case is to stress the other side of the coin, that is &quot;I may be able to replace the keys offsite, however, the entire keyboard may need to be replaced as well.&quot; or &quot;Although a virus scan and tuneup should take care of the issue, serious problems may require a complete format and system reinstall..&quot;

Of course, this kind of flip-flopping can make the technician look confused and unsure of his/her abilities as well.. It&#039;s a fine line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Bryce&#8230;</p>
<p>To be honest however, I can kind of see why the customer might be a bit upset after that took place. Put yourself in the perspective of taking your car into a mechanic for an oil change, and being told you have to get a new muffler, transmission fluid change, spark plugs, and it still sounds bad when you take it back from the garage&#8230; that drives me nuts.</p>
<p>I really think in this case Bryce, you may have  made false promises to this customer, and obviously they were expecting something entirely different then the outcome.</p>
<p>I guess the only way to protect yourself in this case is to stress the other side of the coin, that is &#8220;I may be able to replace the keys offsite, however, the entire keyboard may need to be replaced as well.&#8221; or &#8220;Although a virus scan and tuneup should take care of the issue, serious problems may require a complete format and system reinstall..&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, this kind of flip-flopping can make the technician look confused and unsure of his/her abilities as well.. It&#8217;s a fine line.</p>
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