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		<title>By: Jimmy James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I carry around on my usb stick a keylogger (not to spy on clients...) because I find some parents like to spy on their children and make sure they know who they&#039;re talking to. I don&#039;t actually install it, I run the program and get everything setup, then ask the client to press the &#039;Install&#039; button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I carry around on my usb stick a keylogger (not to spy on clients&#8230;) because I find some parents like to spy on their children and make sure they know who they&#8217;re talking to. I don&#8217;t actually install it, I run the program and get everything setup, then ask the client to press the &#8216;Install&#8217; button.</p>
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		<title>By: Fireddog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fireddog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who was raised by a union member .. I agree 100% with Brendan. The big financial crisis definitely was not caused by unions. It definitely was not helped by the greed exemplified by wall street over the last 20 years. The huge Ceo bonuses the outlandish ceo and executive salaries and all their crazy perks are a far greater issue that needs to be rectified. 

Hopefully our current administration can really work hard to curtail that stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who was raised by a union member .. I agree 100% with Brendan. The big financial crisis definitely was not caused by unions. It definitely was not helped by the greed exemplified by wall street over the last 20 years. The huge Ceo bonuses the outlandish ceo and executive salaries and all their crazy perks are a far greater issue that needs to be rectified. </p>
<p>Hopefully our current administration can really work hard to curtail that stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to some of the queries about what I said, I strictly was relating to my experience with labor laws where I have worked in the past, and from experience regarding an incident in which I had to represent a union member.

My comment was strictly based on the fact that, even if it is their property, and they provide no disclaimer, than whatever they find is may or may not be admissible for disciplinary action, depending on circumstances and contractual or local law, from what I have been taught.  It&#039;s the same as searching an employees assigned locker.  If the employer does it with the employee or the employees representative there, it is a legal search, no questions asked.

Also Bobby, I never made economic remarks.  I wanted to stick strictly to the ethical and legal implications.  There are differing laws in &quot;Right to Work&quot; states in the U.S. and &quot;At Will&quot; states, and the differences are very significant.

But since the pot has been stirred, unions have made many concessions, unlike corporate CEO&#039;s and the other white collars, who still milk companies for millions of dollars/pounds/euros, etc.  What can also be taken from your statement is that you also blame the firefighters and law enforcement personnel, a good deal of whom are also unionized, for our downturn.  Please be careful of what and how you say what you say.  You offered no proof to back up your statement.  Please feel free to look at the Caterpillar (and more recently GM, Chrysler, and Ford) contracts from recent years to really see just how much union members have sacrificed.  Also take note of how little the American worker has in time off and pay compared to other workers in other developed countries around the world, and make another attempt at your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to some of the queries about what I said, I strictly was relating to my experience with labor laws where I have worked in the past, and from experience regarding an incident in which I had to represent a union member.</p>
<p>My comment was strictly based on the fact that, even if it is their property, and they provide no disclaimer, than whatever they find is may or may not be admissible for disciplinary action, depending on circumstances and contractual or local law, from what I have been taught.  It&#8217;s the same as searching an employees assigned locker.  If the employer does it with the employee or the employees representative there, it is a legal search, no questions asked.</p>
<p>Also Bobby, I never made economic remarks.  I wanted to stick strictly to the ethical and legal implications.  There are differing laws in &#8220;Right to Work&#8221; states in the U.S. and &#8220;At Will&#8221; states, and the differences are very significant.</p>
<p>But since the pot has been stirred, unions have made many concessions, unlike corporate CEO&#8217;s and the other white collars, who still milk companies for millions of dollars/pounds/euros, etc.  What can also be taken from your statement is that you also blame the firefighters and law enforcement personnel, a good deal of whom are also unionized, for our downturn.  Please be careful of what and how you say what you say.  You offered no proof to back up your statement.  Please feel free to look at the Caterpillar (and more recently GM, Chrysler, and Ford) contracts from recent years to really see just how much union members have sacrificed.  Also take note of how little the American worker has in time off and pay compared to other workers in other developed countries around the world, and make another attempt at your argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky you didn&#039;t get involved in trying to hack into this computer... unless you had a contract the size of Canada (Paper Thickness wise) and even then you used your common sense.. it&#039;s bad business getting involved in situations like this... the only way this could of been borderline legal is if she would of bought the darn thing herself and have the receipt in her name... ethical definitely not... and I&#039;m sure like me you care more about your integrity than a few extra bucks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky you didn&#8217;t get involved in trying to hack into this computer&#8230; unless you had a contract the size of Canada (Paper Thickness wise) and even then you used your common sense.. it&#8217;s bad business getting involved in situations like this&#8230; the only way this could of been borderline legal is if she would of bought the darn thing herself and have the receipt in her name&#8230; ethical definitely not&#8230; and I&#8217;m sure like me you care more about your integrity than a few extra bucks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with AlexCapownt.
The user is going to figue a way to do this. It might have been helpful to the client if you explained why. I would told her &quot;You do know it is illegal to install Spyware/Monitoring software without the consent of the user? Have you spoken to a lawyer about this?&quot;

It may be different if it&#039;s a shared computer.

My 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with AlexCapownt.<br />
The user is going to figue a way to do this. It might have been helpful to the client if you explained why. I would told her &#8220;You do know it is illegal to install Spyware/Monitoring software without the consent of the user? Have you spoken to a lawyer about this?&#8221;</p>
<p>It may be different if it&#8217;s a shared computer.</p>
<p>My 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: Fahad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fahad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good choice on your part. If the situation had gone to court then you would surely have been charged with quite hefty charges. Better to be safe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good choice on your part. If the situation had gone to court then you would surely have been charged with quite hefty charges. Better to be safe!</p>
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		<title>By: JRoss</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRoss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really tempting to drop the husband an anonymous tip.</description>
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		<title>By: AlexCapownt</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexCapownt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with your solution bryce it that the client is GOING to get onto that laptop. The demand to get into the laptop still exists. 
Now I&#039;m not saying what you did was wrong, i don&#039;t think that just lying and telling her that you weren&#039;t aware of any software helps anyone but yourself. So, since you made the decision to not help her, and you&#039;re doing it for moral reasons, i think you should have gone a little further. Explained why you were against what she wanted done and tell her about the legal implication and possible whiplash.
All respect Bryce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with your solution bryce it that the client is GOING to get onto that laptop. The demand to get into the laptop still exists.<br />
Now I&#8217;m not saying what you did was wrong, i don&#8217;t think that just lying and telling her that you weren&#8217;t aware of any software helps anyone but yourself. So, since you made the decision to not help her, and you&#8217;re doing it for moral reasons, i think you should have gone a little further. Explained why you were against what she wanted done and tell her about the legal implication and possible whiplash.<br />
All respect Bryce.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the employer owns the computer I don&#039;t see a problem. The employee was not only unproductive but behaving in a manner that compromised the security of the network and possibly opening the business to a lawsuit for copyright infringement.

I agree with your decision Bryce, not to bypass the log in. In California all assets obtained during the marriage are community property and the wife would posses equal ownership if it was a personal machine, and not one provided by his employer. That said, why get involved in a spousal dispute? It could end up with you getting sued especially if your laws are different than ours in California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the employer owns the computer I don&#8217;t see a problem. The employee was not only unproductive but behaving in a manner that compromised the security of the network and possibly opening the business to a lawsuit for copyright infringement.</p>
<p>I agree with your decision Bryce, not to bypass the log in. In California all assets obtained during the marriage are community property and the wife would posses equal ownership if it was a personal machine, and not one provided by his employer. That said, why get involved in a spousal dispute? It could end up with you getting sued especially if your laws are different than ours in California.</p>
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		<title>By: On Call PC Solutions</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Call PC Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon

It has been my understanding that Unions are supposed to protect workers rights. Does this include non productive workers? The business owner suspected his employee was not doing his work. So he enlisted Anon to see what this individual was doing on the laptop, since there was an issue with them being non productive. I personally think the business owner was perfectly within his rights to monitor his employee&#039;s computing habits on his company property.

I recently, like 2 days ago had a new client ask me for the same kind of information. Apparently, her grown nephew was looking at porn on her computer. She wanted proof. Like Anon, I was able to provide dates and time stamps. Now I have to lock the PC down with both a Bios password and an admin password. Do I feel bad? I felt sorry for the guy and his inability to use the one and only computer in the house, but hey, the owner enlisted me to do a job on HER computer. Its no different than a car. Even in business. You can use it as long as you 1. Follow the rules, and 2. use good judgment. Misuse of a thing that doesn&#039;t belong to you (or even is some cases that does belong to you)can lead to consequences. Adults understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon</p>
<p>It has been my understanding that Unions are supposed to protect workers rights. Does this include non productive workers? The business owner suspected his employee was not doing his work. So he enlisted Anon to see what this individual was doing on the laptop, since there was an issue with them being non productive. I personally think the business owner was perfectly within his rights to monitor his employee&#8217;s computing habits on his company property.</p>
<p>I recently, like 2 days ago had a new client ask me for the same kind of information. Apparently, her grown nephew was looking at porn on her computer. She wanted proof. Like Anon, I was able to provide dates and time stamps. Now I have to lock the PC down with both a Bios password and an admin password. Do I feel bad? I felt sorry for the guy and his inability to use the one and only computer in the house, but hey, the owner enlisted me to do a job on HER computer. Its no different than a car. Even in business. You can use it as long as you 1. Follow the rules, and 2. use good judgment. Misuse of a thing that doesn&#8217;t belong to you (or even is some cases that does belong to you)can lead to consequences. Adults understand this.</p>
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